dubplate culture...

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:13 pm

sweet, thanks!

ps, just sent you an email kion...

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:16 pm

vxd1 wrote:if you're playing your own productions

not yet: at the moment I'm playing other people's using ableton.

Quality dubstep mp3's/wav's are so hard to come by

thanks for the advice though

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:37 pm

so doesn't dubplate culture create a disposability issue for the people that have them ???

the big attraction is the exclusivity cos once everyone has the tune it's no longer got as much value

I mean say "big name producer X" gives you a tune and you play it out exclusively, but the audience/punters have no idea what it's called, where they can get it, whether it'll be released on CD or if it's only available on vinyl and what's more is, the average secretary, hoodrat or whoever doesn't really care they mostly just roll into a bar/club just to get pissed

they, the general populace have no idea if a latest dub is being played or a big tune from a few years ago

the only ones who really care are other DJ's and trainspotters so then how long before you move on to the next "big name producer Y" cos it seems like with radio shows an shit it's like very other week and the A&R doesn't mean shit without proper feedback, traklists and artists names

the whole promo thing and feedback of vinyl just seems really wank cos if you're lucky enough to be on a list then of course you're gonna say the tune is big/heavy whatever cos if you say it sux you prolly won't be on the list for very long

dunno if that came out right but i hope you get what i mean...

... if the flipside is flooding the market with mp3s that everyone can get hold off for a price then what's the harm in that ???

of course i understand it pays to have some bigname DJ's play your stuff out as you are coming up but once you're established then isn't it all about ego, one uppmanship and almost addiction with dubplates as the drug and you looking for the next fix ???

...which perpetuates the cycle

Fuck it we're gonna ride our own bike cos being in NZ we got nothing to lose and it's not like we're gonna get rich passing round dubplates in an exclusive scene and no one can get our shit unless we make it available to everyone anyway...

...if you don't do anything different don't expect anything to change

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:33 am

how about 1 month on dub and give it out to the slovenly masses?
you could take up a collection plate, ya bastids!
how's about give the trak out to people that wanna press it
instead of keepin it to the jeds in the inner circle?
fuk it!

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:05 pm

sounz good to me ghettobot...

...i got high hopes for the next incarnation of dubplate.net

it seemed like that's where they were going anyway with the hosting of tunes, so if that could be a onestop shop and hub for all and only dubstep mp3 releases it could be the one thing other scenes don't have and control distribution outside of the mainstream process...

...if however kode9 who I believe was running that site is all tied up with his label and other shit then he just might not have the time hence the long delay in reconstruction

someone please correct me if I'm wrong but is hyperdub the label an ammuntion imprint ???

...in which case it might not be in their best interests, given all their other imprint sublabels and running forward as an exclusive promotional tool, to help promote what might essentially be the competition

not saying that's bad but one hell of a blueprint for promoting only their own stuff and a jump start on everyone else...

...good on them too cos they were there from day one i suppose and virtually created the bandwagon everyone is so desperate to jump on

as long as there is money to be made i don't see how it could fail...

...it makes good business sense to cut yourself into the competition profits so it just needs someone to drive it and if it does happen this forum would be a welcome addition to their fold

...and don't mind me or my opinions, i'm just a lone voice in the wilderness having a one man pissing contest in the wind and only succeeding in giving myself a golden shower

besides it's my thread an i'll say what i fucking well like and if you don't like it, just ignore me as most people do or tell me to STFU cos I don't know what the hell I'm on about...

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:06 pm

dubmugga wrote:... if the flipside is flooding the market with mp3s that everyone can get hold off for a price then what's the harm in that ???

this is the point i agree with. mp3 as a format serve's two interests.
1. the interest's of the global dj's that can't afford to buy imported vinyl.
2. the people that don't dj, would never buy the vinyl, and just want something for their ipod.

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:26 pm

So basically I just have to ask the producers nicely to build up my box of performance-quality mp3's? (thanks KION

)

That's not so bad, as long as the producers aren't rude!

m9918868 · Post by **m9918868** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:51 am

Blackdown wrote:i hear both sides of the CD v dubplates argument, but speaking strictly about the sonics, its undenyably true that when DJs like SLT Mob or Plasticman come on at DMZ with CDs...

2. the sounds is more mid and hi end focused which reduces the weight and impact of the sub bass

That might be just a subjective impression. If you get into the details, it might turn out differently. You all might wanna check out wikipedia on RIAA equalisation.

Briefly, it explains why before pressed on vinyl a part of the bass get cut out to improve the overall sound quality -prevents the needle jumping as well, apparently- by this equalisation standard. Digital media (like cd's) usually aren't subjected to this process and therefore allow for a much more faithfull representation of the bass. The warmer sound of vinyl results directly from this RIAA equalisation, by the way. Which implies that if you would apply this process to a digital signal, you should get the same effect.

Besides, it's quite obvious that the nature of analogue devices can't be the only reason for a warmer sounding, as every digital sound device has to translate the digital signals into analogue sound (dac). Simply because we can not hear digitally.

Thought this might be a point worth considering when thinking about dubplates in a bass-oriented genre as dubstep.

steps · Post by **steps** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:07 pm

m9918868 wrote:
Blackdown wrote:i hear both sides of the CD v dubplates argument, but speaking strictly about the sonics, its undenyably true that when DJs like SLT Mob or Plasticman come on at DMZ with CDs...

2. the sounds is more mid and hi end focused which reduces the weight and impact of the sub bass
That might be just a subjective impression. If you get into the details, it might turn out differently. You all might wanna check out wikipedia on RIAA equalisation.

Briefly, it explains why before pressed on vinyl a part of the bass get cut out to improve the overall sound quality -prevents the needle jumping as well, apparently- by this equalisation standard. Digital media (like cd's) usually aren't subjected to this process and therefore allow for a much more faithfull representation of the bass. The warmer sound of vinyl results directly from this RIAA equalisation, by the way. Which implies that if you would apply this process to a digital signal, you should get the same effect.

Besides, it's quite obvious that the nature of analogue devices can't be the only reason for a warmer sounding, as every digital sound device has to translate the digital signals into analogue sound (dac). Simply because we can not hear digitally.

Thought this might be a point worth considering when thinking about dubplates in a bass-oriented genre as dubstep.

what about serato? what does that do to the sound?

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:05 am

haha, two years is a long time.. cringe cringe cringe

zombiefood · Post by **zombiefood** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:10 am

seckle wrote:
dubmugga wrote:... if the flipside is flooding the market with mp3s that everyone can get hold off for a price then what's the harm in that ???
this is the point i agree with. mp3 as a format serve's two interests.
1. the interest's of the global dj's that can't afford to buy imported vinyl.
2. the people that don't dj, would never buy the vinyl, and just want something for their ipod.

I think it would help people like me that listen live on the other side of the globe who can't afford the shipping on vinyl and have very few record shops to go to. Most people say to me "Dub? We have some dub records."

dirtycash · Post by **dirtycash** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:14 am

vinyl dubplates??...i know a guy in bristol is pressing them.
surely this is logical.

I would like to know what J.Transition has to say about vinyl dubs?

nesslei · Post by **nesslei** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:03 am

seckle wrote:everyone wants everything yesterday, and when they do get something in their hands they get bored of it in 5 days.

couldn't have said it better myself. our current mentality of instant gratification is pervading society. waiting for something you truly appreciate may be difficult, but when you finally got it in your hot little hands, the satisfaction levels soar.

nesslei · Post by **nesslei** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:07 am

dubmugga wrote:u...personally i don't think dubstep is dance club music and therefore not ideally suited to vinyl

even if i agreed with you about dubstep not being 'dance club' musik, i would argue your second point.

vinyl is very enjoyable to spin in your own living room.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:38 am

back from the vaults on this one.lol

this thread is from oct 19th. 2005.

^at that time the forum was 13 days old, with less than 100 people on here.

jah pat · Post by **jah pat** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:56 am

Interesting read. And i love this:

jah pat · Post by **jah pat** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:57 am

Ok that didn't work, but ya see what i mean.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:12 am

dirtycash wrote:vinyl dubplates??...i know a guy in bristol is pressing them.
surely this is logical.

I would like to know what J.Transition has to say about vinyl dubs?

he's definitely spoken about it before, try doing a search. not sure what you'd need to look for but it'll be about somewhere

gravious · Post by **gravious** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:17 am

UFO over easy wrote:
dirtycash wrote:vinyl dubplates??...i know a guy in bristol is pressing them.
surely this is logical.

I would like to know what J.Transition has to say about vinyl dubs?
he's definitely spoken about it before, try doing a search. not sure what you'd need to look for but it'll be about somewhere

I remember that too...

I think he just said that they will never sound as loud/good as a freshly cut acetate. But don't quote me on that!

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:19 pm

zombiefood wrote:
seckle wrote:
dubmugga wrote:... if the flipside is flooding the market with mp3s that everyone can get hold off for a price then what's the harm in that ???
this is the point i agree with. mp3 as a format serve's two interests.
1. the interest's of the global dj's that can't afford to buy imported vinyl.
2. the people that don't dj, would never buy the vinyl, and just want something for their ipod.

I think it would help people like me that listen live on the other side of the globe who can't afford the shipping on vinyl and have very few record shops to go to. Most people say to me "Dub? We have some dub records."

I quite like the fact that mp3 DJ'ing is going to make it economical for small local DJ's to play a lot of fresh tunes on 'dub' without having to go through the expense and impracticality (I mean, good luck finding somewhere in Buttfuck, Iowa that cuts dubs) of getting yer actual acetates. And the winners from that seem likely to be the small producers - you may not be able to get the latest Skream or Coki dubs, but you can at least get a bit of edge by playing out fresh stuff from a couple of your mates. And if the music's good, you or them or both have a chance of getting into the big league. Win all round.

It's like the way that (iirc) the first people in Jamaica to actually record local bands were the smaller soundsystems, who only did it because they couldn't afford to go to America to seek out imports...

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