Emalkay discusses both the U.K. and U.S. dubstep scenes

[rinseballs21]

the reason why the deep stuff hasn't caught on over in the states is because dubstep is still growing and emerging over here......

dubstep has grown plenty in the UK....and everyone is familiar with most artists....therefore after the familiarization they allow themselves to branch out and see what else is available.....

i believe the states is at least a full year + behind the UK in terms of artist recognition......and deep exposure......

i mean to be honest.......SKREAM barely got booked to his first LA massive last year.....NOCTURNAL FESTIVAL.... 40,000 PEOPLE.........that alone goes to show where dubstep is at in the U.S........i mean skream was doing underground pure filth shows for years before 2009.....but on a grander scale dubstep is now barley growing in the states........

WE HAVE YET TO REACH THE POINT WHERE DUBSTEP GETS BOOKED MAINSTAGE ON A SET OF INSANE SPEAKERS.....in front of a 20,000+ mainstage crowd......we are at the point however where dubstep gets booked headlining at dubstep nights with UK talent.....and now in various assortments of massive 10,000+ raves....however playing on a much smaller stage along with dnb artists etc.....


even though LA has pure filth....which is internationally known.....a lot of the people who attend it are looking to hear some dirty shit

no less.....however with women starting to fill dubstep nights......i see within a year time purefilth heading in the direction of a sub-bass heavy chilled out time....AND I CANT WAIT FOR IT TOO HAPPEN!!!!!

[kidlogic]

@Deams - Touche.

@Shiva - I figured as much, I just cringe from seeing B2B cause it seems like its always just a way to get more DJs on the bill out here...

This post really irritates me. Not only for the blanket generalizations about a country this big, and not only because said generalizations are from a fellow American, but also because you dont have to "deal" with this.

Play what you want, what you like and what you want to hear out - it might take you a bit longer to get noticed, but its a lot more satisfying when you do. DJing is about self expression, not trying to fit in.

Also, (most mature people dont do pills)

kidlogic - sorry to be the irritant, and although my post is a grand over-exaggeration, a lot of it is unfortunately real talk. You and I both live in major cities, so its easy to lose sight of what its really like out in the "real" parts of America. In my experience, its still the held over "fuck everyone except me" mentality that plagued and mortally wounded drum n' bass in the States. It's just random, toxic aggression not focused on anything - dudes need to watch Lifetime or go to a counselor and dead that.

The second part of what you are saying is what up-and-comers should be doing, finding the music they like and incorporating that into their sets, I totally agree. Unfortunately, crews feel like one head with questionable tastes and a lot of yes-men around them. DJs are trying to mimic each other because its the quickest way to get booked and, over time, everyone loses because everyone is playing the same boring shit.

PS. Tell me people don't do pills on the playa. Let's be real.

Im originally from the midwest, I used to be one of those cats Seckle was talking about that drove 10 hours to go the one show that close for the month. Average drive time was longer than the party itself most weekends. Ive seen a few very different sides of America's scene, so I wont speak in generalizations like yours. Its far too varied. I will say there was markedly less of the so claimed "fuck everyone except me" and "random toxic agression" in the smaller scene in Wisconsin than there is in the bigger cities, at least comparing my experience in Wisconsin to my experience in LA.

By your own words, Seattle is stoked for Shackleton, so the scene cant be as tied to the "filth" as your orignal post makes it seem.

IMO the reason why no one seems into the "deeper" or "techy" or other non-brostep/filth stuff is lack of opportunity. You're right, most scenes are cities with a handful of promoters doing shows, throwing them with the intentions of being the next big crew, sacrificing originality for what they assume will get people through the doors. Instead of trying to grow a new night slowly catering to the other side of things, they throw one expecting it to be on par with a "filth" night, and it fails in comparison so they retreat back to what worked before, completely ignoring that the handful of people who did come had a great time. Had they planned on the night being smaller and catered to that fact with a smaller venue and less expectations for the numbers, that smaller night could be viewed as a success and could be something to grow into a larger night that exposes more people to that side of the music. Too much instant gratification expectation.

Case in point was the last time I saw Appleblim play in LA - not a rousing success in comparison to most Pure Filth or Smog shows, but the music was on point and everyone there seemed to agree. The show was in far too big of a venue though, which left the night feeling like there weren't enough people there, which gives the impression that it wasnt as good of a night as it was.

Do you think Low End Theory or DMZ opened their doors to masses of people the first night? Hell, Low End was struggling to stay open those first few months...

Just sayin, its not all the way these over-generalizations make things seem.

PPS - you said parking lot outside the club, not the playa - honestly, Ive never been to BRC, so I wouldnt know.

[_boring]

its up to smaller local DJ's to play fresh sounds and get people talking. once people realize there is a more musical element behind dubstep they start to look at it in a different way, and people starting hearing about artists who don't play big party/rave basslines. then once there is an interest we can start to book bigger DJ's/Producers who play a more musicical style.

just because its not FILTH doesnt mean its DEEP either. just look at what people like Distal are doing. some funky ass shit! it's all about the funk in 2010.

and, it's all up to the DJ's to introduce music in a way that people can contextualize it and have it mean something more to them.

the sound is well healthy and diverse in my city so i'm not worried. we are branching out the sound more and more each night we throw IMO. it's a very conscious effort as well.

LA is LA and i dont see it having much to do with the rest of the country.

[kidlogic]

its up to smaller local DJ's to play fresh sounds and get people talking. once people realize there is a more musical element behind dubstep they start to look at it in a different way, and people starting hearing about artists who don't play big party/rave basslines. then once there is an interest we can start to book bigger DJ's/Producers who play a more musicical style.

just because its not FILTH doesnt mean its DEEP either. just look at what people like Distal are doing. some funky ass shit! it's all about the funk in 2010.

and, it's all up to the DJ's to introduce music in a way that people can contextualize it and have it mean something more to them.

the sound is well healthy and diverse in my city so i'm not worried. we are branching out the sound more and more each night we throw IMO. it's a very conscious effort as well.

LA is LA and i dont see it having much to do with the rest of the country.

I agreed with everything you said up till the last line... just dont get what you meant by that. I may be taking it wrong...

[_boring]

well at least from what i have seen in videos of bigger parties, LA just seems like its very on about its own LA thing, just seems like a very different vibe. like, its not lowkey in any way, its like I SAY DUB YOU SAY STEP.... I SAY WEST YOU SAY COAST!!! kinda hype thing

[DFRNT]

I tell you what...

I'm looking forward to playing some deeper stuff over there come March - May.

I've got my "just in case" set of tear-out tracks if it all goes pear-shaped, but for the most part I intend to push stuff that's not the usual wub. At least until later in the night anyway.

[kidlogic]

well at least from what i have seen in videos of bigger parties, LA just seems like its very on about its own LA thing, just seems like a very different vibe. like, its not lowkey in any way, its like I SAY DUB YOU SAY STEP.... I SAY WEST YOU SAY COAST!!! kinda hype thing

Ahh word, gotcha - yes. Very much so. Not to say there aren't smaller, less "hype" events... but those usually dont have videos made about them. That said, my next two gigs are at full on raves.

I tell you what...

I'm looking forward to playing some deeper stuff over there come March - May.

I've got my "just in case" set of tear-out tracks if it all goes pear-shaped, but for the most part I intend to push stuff that's not the usual wub. At least until later in the night anyway.

You making it to SoCal?

[DFRNT]

I tell you what...

I'm looking forward to playing some deeper stuff over there come March - May.

I've got my "just in case" set of tear-out tracks if it all goes pear-shaped, but for the most part I intend to push stuff that's not the usual wub. At least until later in the night anyway.

You making it to SoCal?

If that's in California - then sadly, not. I'll be on the East coast only this time round. From Burlington, Vermont, down to Orlando - and in between, but nothing further West than Atlanta GA.

[deadly_habit]

sigh 5 posts in and it's already another broad generalization well americans derp de dur thread

[joeki]

Chemical Records.co.uk
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Vinyl
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Most Popular
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Top 5 :
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Doctor P - Sweet Shop / Gargoyle
Drumsound & Bassline Smithh - R U Ready / dubstep rmx
Datsik - Gizmo / Gecko
Foreign Beggars - No holds barred
Datsik & Excision - Retreat / rmx

That's a UK record store and the top 5 of recently most sold records are all filthy stuff. Filth is not just big in the US so it seems.
Anyway : It's like some people said. Filth for me is great to close off an evening, and at parties here in Western-Europe most people are maintaining a pretty good balance between filth/deeper stuff. I perceive that a new generation of dubstep kids is edging more and more towards filth though. But atm, there's plenty of alternative shit going on as well. So no reason to complain. Don't like the filth, fine go to another party. If parties in the States indeed are filth non-stop from 10PM to 6AM, I'd rather stay at home and get stoned listening to burial or something.
And glow-sticks remain forbidden at my party!!!

[frank grimes jr.]

That's not really fair, as Chemical ships worldwide.

[kidlogic]

I tell you what...

I'm looking forward to playing some deeper stuff over there come March - May.

I've got my "just in case" set of tear-out tracks if it all goes pear-shaped, but for the most part I intend to push stuff that's not the usual wub. At least until later in the night anyway.

You making it to SoCal?

If that's in California - then sadly, not. I'll be on the East coast only this time round. From Burlington, Vermont, down to Orlando - and in between, but nothing further West than Atlanta GA.

Ahh right on, next time 'round then - you'll have a great time on the East Coast for sure!

[my name is not billy]

Surely the Differance is more to do with where the styles came from Deeper Dubstep styles lend more to UK Garage whereas the tear out side of things could be a lot closer linked with Drum and Bass, Drum and Bass IS popular in USA UKG never really was (on a big scale)

Also does anyone else wish that documentry videos shot in clubs with LOUD music didn't use microphone recorded sound. Is there any better way to destroy a good dubstep track than to record a fart in a tin and label it as "dubstep"

[_boring]

Surely the Differance is more to do with where the styles came from Deeper Dubstep styles lend more to UK Garage whereas the tear out side of things could be a lot closer linked with Drum and Bass, Drum and Bass IS popular in USA UKG never really was (on a big scale)

SOOOOOOO true, but also factor Hard Electro-House in there as well for the US

[my name is not billy]

SOOOOOOO true, but also factor Hard Electro-House in there as well for the US

Fair point - Factored

[hipnotikk]

man, gotta say i lost some respect for some people on the first page of this thread, and feel a bit insulted by the ignorance. i don't know why we create these divisions and this holier than thou attitude, what's the point? to say there isn't a group of people in the UK that like "filth", or to say that everyone in the US loves nothing but it is ridiculously close-minded.

where'd the PLUR go?

[ushushnz]

ill take synkro over rusko anyday.

QFT. Who the fuck is Rusko anyway?

[djchup]

lol@ my friend jacob dancing in slowmo at the beginning of that vid. large night.

[kidshuffle]

i dno i just played this set out in buffalo at a house vs dubstep kinda night and it went great.

Ramadanman - Every Next Day
Sines - Tenderoni
Distal - Notlanta
Matt U - Chase Pack
Killeralien - Intimidate
Sines - Blu
Unknown - Train
Untold - I Can't Stop This Feeling (Pangaea remix)
Distal - Tortelli's Slave
Skream - Minimalistix
Untold - Stop What You're Doing (James Blake Remix)
Silkie & Harry Craze - Favela
Qualified - Just Being Fooled (Brokenbeat Mix)
Distal - Off With His Head
Cosmic Revenge - On the Block
El - B - Buck and Bury
Id - Leaves
Dark Knight - Broken Beats
Synkro & Indigo - Heaven
Asusu - Small Hours
James Blake - Sparing the Hoarses
Kromestar - Bloodclart

but....you live in america....this can't be true

[rinseballs21]

i dno i just played this set out in buffalo at a house vs dubstep kinda night and it went great.

Ramadanman - Every Next Day
Sines - Tenderoni
Distal - Notlanta
Matt U - Chase Pack
Killeralien - Intimidate
Sines - Blu
Unknown - Train
Untold - I Can't Stop This Feeling (Pangaea remix)
Distal - Tortelli's Slave
Skream - Minimalistix
Untold - Stop What You're Doing (James Blake Remix)
Silkie & Harry Craze - Favela
Qualified - Just Being Fooled (Brokenbeat Mix)
Distal - Off With His Head
Cosmic Revenge - On the Block
El - B - Buck and Bury
Id - Leaves
Dark Knight - Broken Beats
Synkro & Indigo - Heaven
Asusu - Small Hours
James Blake - Sparing the Hoarses
Kromestar - Bloodclart

but....you live in america....this can't be true

that had to have been a 21+ show then......no way that would have gone well any other way i figure