Vaccine conspiracy theory - the real effects

[pompende]

So Hackman... If we are all gonna be corrupted or whatever when we get vaccinated how else are we gonna not get polio/measles/whatever? Cos i'm not being funny but its all well and good saying that vaccines are bad and that but i am pretty certain that a lot people are gonna die needlessly without them....

Unfortunately conspiracy theorists have lots of 'valid questions', but are a little scant when it comes to offering anyone any practical advice.

Until they work out how to stave off a Measles infection by wearing hemp pants, I think we'll need to stick to getting our protection from Wormtongue.

magma has absolutely no clue whatever

why don't you do something to indicate what a significant clue YOU have?

perhaps you could start by explaining what you actually read that made you think asthma, allergies, adhd, and autism are "on the rise" .

then you can inform everyone here about why it is that an increase in the rate of diagnosis of a disorder NEVER EVER HAS ANYTHING to do with increased public awareness of that disorder. Shouldn't be too hard...there are SOOOO MANY EXAMPLES

finally you can wrap up by telling us how trace amounts of mercury can consistently and systematically alter our dna.

you seem really well informed. i know you can do it.

[hackman]

i don't have to explain myself to a load of narrow minded individuals who have already set their opinions in stone

take your vaccines, i couldn't care less
i only got involved because of ignorant idiots suggesting that people who don't vaccinate themselves are criminal or putting the rest of the world at danger
anyway, the only one of you who genuinely pisses me off on this forum with their arrogant and condescending attitude, which is so fuckign ironic for obvious reasons, is magma, so to avoid any future negative vibes i've put him on block

[pompende]

then you can inform everyone here about why it is that an increase in the rate of diagnosis of a disorder NEVER EVER HAS ANYTHING to do with increased public awareness of that disorder. Shouldn't be too hard...there are SOOOO MANY EXAMPLES

too true pompende! who remembers that sickle cell anemia outbreak in the 1930s??? pretty fucked up how the government targeted black folks and even altered their dna so their kids would have it... fucking industrial nations...

don;t even get me started on diabetes! just a racket to sell people worthless plastic boxes and get them visiting the hospital regularly so they;re easier to track.

[pompende]

i don't have to explain myself to a load of narrow minded individuals who have already set their opinions in stone

take your vaccines, i couldn't care less
i only got involved because of ignorant idiots suggesting that people who don't vaccinate themselves are criminal or putting the rest of the world at danger
anyway, the only one of you who genuinely pisses me off on this forum with their arrogant and condescending attitude, which is so fuckign ironic for obvious reasons, is magma, so to avoid any future negative vibes i've put him on block

okay im going to try and not be an ass for a second and also give a helpful tip:

you need to learn how to evaluate the information you are presented with. EVERYONE has bias even the scientists who are telling you about the dangers of vaccinations...
just use some critical thinking: "how could a vaccine induce a genetic disorder" ...when you hear something like "autism and adhd are on the rise" take a moment to consider what you're hearing: is prevalence of a disorder the ONLY factor that could increase the rate of its diagnosis?

you're coming off like karl pilkington in this thread and im not joking.
i'm not even considering what you're stance is on this issue is anymore: when you get into an argument and you can't provide ANY rationale or evidence for your claims...you need to take a step back and examine how you came to believe the things you beleive...

[hackman]

i know why i believe the things i do
i'm not fussed about how i come across to you,
you make it sound like i should!
brain made of wood?

[pompende]

i know why i believe the things i do
i'm not fussed about how i come across to you,
you make it sound like i should!
brain made of wood?

well regardless maybe you could just explain to me how the vaccine poisoning works? i mean... i took some of my time to explain my doubts on this issue maybe you could assuage them. or just link me to your sources... i actually like reading journal articles so you don't even have to summarize...

[hackman]

maybe with your obvious wealth of medicinal and scientific knowledge, and the vaults of information obtained through trials (lol) you can explain to me why each constituent part of a vaccine does not damage you in anyway?

[pompende]

i know why i believe the things i do
i'm not fussed about how i come across to you,

im not fussed about how you come across to me either but if you want "people" in your "life" to respect your opinions you need to have some basis for them outside of youtube vids...

[hackman]

i don't want people to respect my opinions, couldn't care less
i want people to not label me as criminal for expressing my freedom of thought!

[pompende]

maybe with your obvious wealth of medicinal and scientific knowledge, and the vaults of information obtained through trials (lol) you can explain to me why each constituent part of a vaccine does not damage you in anyway?

if you really need me to I can send you some articles later when i'm on campus and I have access to pubmed...

by definition a vaccine can only be dangerous if it contains an insufficiently weakened bacteria. The worst possible effect of a vaccine is that it gives you the disease it was supposed to protect you from.

Now you go: tell me what 'they' put in vaccines and how it can rewrite your dna...


and for the record no one thinks you're a criminal... just please for the love of god type out WHY vaccines are dangerous.

you're welcome to believe whatever you want but you don't actually know anything about vaccinations do you? You believe that marginalized opinions are more valid than popular opinions, clearly, but you don't understand what you believe or why its true... Your illustration of this issue starts and stops with a money hungry pharmaceutical company but the vaccines we're talking about are on the order of 1 pound each at retail... lets do a quick calculation with some estimates ... theres about 220 million people in africa... at best a pharmaceutical company might make a profit of 75p per vaccination... assuming they vaccinated every african within a year they would net a profit of 168 million pounds for that year... at&t makes about 500 million pounds of profit per quarter. So whats the motivation? How would a pharmaceutical company even recoup the expenses required to commit the fraud you're proposing?

[hackman]

why are articles written by your scientists/doctors better than mine?

you need to learn how to evaluate the information you are presented with. EVERYONE has bias even the scientists who are telling you about the pros of vaccinations...

pretty much

and where have i said vaccines rewrite your dna?


polio vaccine has formaldehyde (A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.)

diptheria/tetanus - sodium hydroxide, formaldehyde, hydrochloric acid, thimerosal (dervitaive of mercury)


basically, most of them contain either formaldehyde, aluminium, thimerosal, sodium hydroxide, all of which are known carcinogens/toxic to human health

[hackman]

oh, let's not forget aspartame too

[test_recordings]

The thing is that all this exta-biological immunisation is removing human's natural ability to develop resistance; the reason that the bubonic plague isn't around anymore is because the people that survived had an innate immunity to it that has become part of the common genetic pool for Europe and Asia.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, it's how evolution works!

[badger]

actually getting quite angry reading this thread

adhd is a fucking joke, sorry

hyper active kids, it must be diagnosed as something, then we can sell you drugs to suppress the kids natural temperament! LOL

that's nothing to do with this article...

Modern life has many drawbacks, sure... but I'd rather get hayfever than Polio mate.

I don't think people quite seem to grasp how shit life was living with disease rife in society. The disorders you list are incredibly inconvenient, but none of them are going to leave you infertile, mentally handicapped or, more likely, dead.

We can only hope that some day soon, someone figures out something as effective for cancer prevention as the vaccination programme was for disease. But then people will say that was a conspiracy.... and they'll have decades more to spout shite about it... ho hum.

this

to reject the whole idea of vaccination is just as retarded as to accept all vaccination campaigns without discerning between hoaxes like the swine flu and the real deal. but when you are a drooling retarded you can only think in small twitts like "vaccines=good" or "vaccines=bad"

vaccines and medicine and medication were, are and will be used beyond their declared purpose on occasions, and their advertising is misleading and incomplete most of the times. that's true documented facts.

fuck me, i'm quoting you to agree!

in the western world it's a parent's choice whether to run the potential risks of either autism or other side effects vs the risks of catching a disease (with a good healthcare system as a back up if you do fall) - and depending on your viewpoint it could be irresponsible to risk either option. but in the developed world if you catch these diseases then it's very likely you will die

narrow minded individuals who have already set their opinions in stone

that works both ways you know

[hackman]

The thing is that all this exta-biological immunisation is removing human's natural ability to develop resistance; the reason that the bubonic plague isn't around anymore is because the people that survived had an innate immunity to it that has become part of the common genetic pool for Europe and Asia.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, it's how evolution works!

FUCKING AMEN BROTHER

[hackman]

great badger points out some irrelevant stuff and lets us know his current emotional state, fantastic
pat on the back mate!

[hackman]

The thing is that all this exta-biological immunisation is removing human's natural ability to develop resistance; the reason that the bubonic plague isn't around anymore is because the people that survived had an innate immunity to it that has become part of the common genetic pool for Europe and Asia.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, it's how evolution works!

i would like to add it is for these reasons in conjunction with better quality of life (sanitation etc) that diseases such as polio are no longer around, rather than vaccines

[nicenice]

to reject the whole idea of vaccination is just as retarded as to accept all vaccination campaigns without discerning between hoaxes like the swine flu and the real deal. but when you are a drooling retarded you can only think in small twitts like "vaccines=good" or "vaccines=bad"

vaccines and medicine and medication were, are and will be used beyond their declared purpose on occasions, and their advertising is misleading and incomplete most of the times. that's true documented facts.

fuck me, i'm quoting you to agree!

[*grand*]

But saying that Hackman.... Or rather quoting that.... Exactly how does a vaccine work? Is it not by the same principal of making you stronger? Antibiotics, I think that is what that concept is based upon.

Grand

[badger]

i think you mean antibodies. when you get an illness your body's white blood cells attack the pathogen and in doing so they basically learn how to defeat it and create antibodies in order to counteract it in the future. vaccines give you the disease they are made to protect you against in a very small dose so that the body learns how to defeat it and so when you get a real dose of the disease your body has the antibodies in place to defeat it without getting ill

this is why some vaccines temporarily make you ill and cause short term side effects