racism and policing DMZ, mass, raves

cosmic_surgeon · Post by **cosmic_surgeon** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:43 pm

shredexx wrote:
Cosmic Surgeon wrote:
tacospheros wrote:i just wanted to add at least in the UK the cops arent all rolling in guns blazing. out here in nyc , if youre the slightest bit dark skinned and you dont answer the cops right away, you get fucking shot . fuck the police

and the guy the police killed at the G20 a few weeks ago who was just passing by.
Police hiding their badges... Masking their faces... it was a dark day and said alot about the state of policing in this country.

Orwell was bang on...

Yeah mate. The thing that gets me is how they tried to pass it off like his death was unrelated at first - saying he died of causes not linked to the attack.

"The latest witness statements and photographs contradict the version of events put forward by police immediately after his death." - from The Guardian, article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ap ... lice-death

It was then revealed he died as a result of banging his head off the pavement when he was struck by the officer. It just goes to show that police forensics teams will lie for officers who are themselves in jeapordy of prosecution.

Makes me ill mate.

j-sh · Post by **j-sh** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:44 pm

fucking police brutality is rife now days - i didnt even realise it, but there's been two incidents of people being beaten to death by police in the last couple of years in OXFORD - home of punts and scones. dont see that in the papers

But to get back on topic... theres nothing i hate more than aggy stnuc at a dance - dont really have anything to add to the debate just wanted to get that off my chest. I blame it on alcohol

tacospheros · Post by **tacospheros** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:20 am

J-sh wrote:fucking police brutality is rife now days - i didnt even realise it, but there's been two incidents of people being beaten to death by police in the last couple of years in OXFORD - home of punts and scones. dont see that in the papers

But to get back on topic... theres nothing i hate more than aggy stnuc at a dance - dont really have anything to add to the debate just wanted to get that off my chest. I blame it on alcohol

ganja should be mandatory for all citizens of the new world order

cosmic_surgeon · Post by **cosmic_surgeon** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:30 am

tacospheros wrote:
J-sh wrote:fucking police brutality is rife now days - i didnt even realise it, but there's been two incidents of people being beaten to death by police in the last couple of years in OXFORD - home of punts and scones. dont see that in the papers

But to get back on topic... theres nothing i hate more than aggy stnuc at a dance - dont really have anything to add to the debate just wanted to get that off my chest. I blame it on alcohol
ganja should be mandatory for all citizens of the new world order

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZqYV9KKOZQ

HamCrescendo · Post by **HamCrescendo** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:08 am

Whats this police officer talkin about?

Duran duran fanboys been running northwest tings recently

antipode · Post by **antipode** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:00 pm

But to get back on topic... theres nothing i hate more than aggy stnuc at a dance - dont really have anything to add to the debate just wanted to get that off my chest. I blame it on alcohol

Yeah.. I seem to enjoy gigs the most at about 4am once all the dickheads have buggered off.

ahier · Post by **ahier** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:43 pm

epoch wrote:

But to get back on topic... theres nothing i hate more than aggy stnuc at a dance - dont really have anything to add to the debate just wanted to get that off my chest. I blame it on alcohol
Yeah.. I seem to enjoy gigs the most at about 4am once all the dickheads have buggered off.

yeah definitely, and nights with smaller rooms with less big names, different music and better vibes

kapital · Post by **kapital** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:56 pm

One of the few multi-page threads where I read every single post and re-read posts.

Since getting into dubstep, I'm backtracking and "side"tracking into grime, garage, funky and trying to get into those styles more. One thing that became a recurring theme with grime was the beefs at raves. Instantly reminded me of hip-hop in general in North America.

There's been times in Ottawa at freestyle events (as innocent as you'd think that would be) where two mans go head-to-head...with some minimal ass prize for the winner (maybe free drinks, maybe $100 cash prize lol)...both are there with massive squads. Many times the winner gets stomped the fuck out. So what, ppl should aim to lose to avoid beatdowns? It's ridiculous...

Not much to add to this thread, other than the fact that music should be about unification...and not fragmenting nights into various factions and shit. I don't go to clubs much...partly for that reason, partle due to the fact is that shit's all about image nuff times.

Weaksauce

kay · Post by **kay** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:26 pm

epoch wrote:

But to get back on topic... theres nothing i hate more than aggy stnuc at a dance - dont really have anything to add to the debate just wanted to get that off my chest. I blame it on alcohol
Yeah.. I seem to enjoy gigs the most at about 4am once all the dickheads have buggered off.

That's the time I wait for.

ed teach · Post by **ed teach** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:36 pm

In the States, Hip Hop began as the voice of the unseen and unheard communities that were poorly represented by a biased media and a fearful government. It was a way to communicate with other people in a similar situation with a language and style untainted by the socially oppresive environment that these people were dealing with.

The community was united by recognising in themselves what others had failed to see, and spread all over the country embedding itself in nearly every major city with each point developing a style of it's own, yet ultimatley rooted in one overall sound.

With it's growing popularity as a platform for creativity, artistic expression and political change it soon spread to the younger generations of the white middle class, opening them up to a whole new take on life in their country. Such a change in attitude within the main body of future voters and tax-payers threatened the power base of the ruling class, and so Hip Hop was silenced by various means: censorship & legislation being the two most obvious, but it was mainly through commercialisation. This turned it into a gold rush scenario and created a situation that distorted and diluted the voices of the Hip Hop community. This along with Smack & Crack epidemic pretty much stopped this form of expression from ever realising it's full potential - after the initial success of groups like De La Soul, Ganstarr & Tribe Called Quest the biggest sellers were almost always G. Rap. It's still there in places if you look hard enough, and people are begining to find a way to get through these barriers but the damage has been done - only time will tell if irreparably so.

Anyone see any parallels here?

P.S. Hating the police is like hating the bullet instead of the gun it came from or the person who fired it.

dvsmc · Post by **dvsmc** » Mon May 18, 2009 12:26 am

RagoJu wrote:Rollercoaster had this exact problem at mass last year.

It's harsh but they do have a point, when certain events/genres attract trouble all the time they will be cracked down on.

Yes, we had this issue at Rollercoaster.. the police banned my live band Marijuanafarmer from performing because we 'were promoting the use of drugs' and cos the promoters were using 'MC's that promoted gun crime'

sstutter · Post by **sstutter** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:10 am

they(?) should orchestrate fake raves which promote aggression and malice and then when they feel they have the right kind of client base... lock the doors and gas them all.

then make cat food from the bodies and sell it at lidl.

or you should have a boxing ring at a rave and when someone causes trouble you should throw them in and they should have a fair fight one on one... and guards with machine guns can stop people from intervening.

and i dont mean that they fight the person they were causeing 'beef' with, but it should be a lottery system where they are pitted against a randomly selected person who was also causing trouble.

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