Serious time, folks.

[deamonds]

more discussion about house.

less emotional fuckbags

[drokkr]

I hate the idea of a sub forum that you need to 'earn' access to, could be bare experienced dnb/house/garage or even dubstep producers who only just signed up. But we don't think they're 'worthy' to access/post. Not really on that tbh.

This.

Also, there has been quite a few "joke" threads started on here too recently. I'm up for a laugh and a joke but some of these threads make it look like the place is not up to much. There is a fantastic standard of production on here and mountains of knowledge to share. I don't think there is any need to lower the tone of the production forum with these threads tbh.
Now, some members are more guilty of troll posts and dodgy threads then others. But it is up to us to ignore these threads and let them fall off the page.

We need to be more on the case with the repeat threads. 1 polite response and a directed link. That's all they need and that should level out after a while. Maybe.

Suggestion - A "Have you heard of Google?" sticky

[lyons238]

Leg, I appear pessimistic, and to a large extent I am. But I think this thread can't help dsfp. I think dsfp is beyond help. Think we're looking at a new chapter of dsfp. This chapter is likely to be filled with inexperienced teenage producers sharing cobbled production half truths. Most of the experienced, talented, artistic producers have already left. This saddens me, honestly, because I've gained so much through dsfp. Not even joking that this place changed my life, and the way I work.

One potential solution is to have a two tiered forum, a shallow end, and a deep end (please don't mix metaphors here). It is clear that the google bot is sending every 15 yo producer with a cracked massive here. The board is over run with these people. If there was a separate area for more experienced producers, maybe, just maybe, dsf could retain some artistic/intellectual capital. Otherwise this board is going to be filled with myriad Chad the rapists, and no one of substance will remain.

I've argued against a two tiered dsfp several times over the years. But I've finally come around to the idea as a last ditch effort to keep something of value here on dsfp.

I've got nothing against the younger producers here, more power to them, and I vow to spend time in the shallow end fielding Fl Studio questions as well as general production questions, but I would really like to be able to carry on more serious conversations in peace.

^ this is so correct. we need you veterans to stick around. you guys are what makes this place. you guys are what will help us shallow tier teenagers become veterans so we can help the next crowd of youngsters trying to be skrillex lol.

imo you guys are what keeps this place from being a complete and useless zoo.

[-[2]DAY_-]

my biggest thing nowadays is everything is all about Massive. so many people are like "err, I'm on [insert DAW] and Massive, are there any Massive presets or tips on Massive and..."

"How could you do that on Massive?"
"well i mainly use Massive"

fucking jog on and get hip to another synth! ANY synth!

just a little detail that irks me. /rant

[hifi]

I think a lot of the problems stem from there being two very different types of producers here. As Nowaysj says,those just starting out and may have only found out about dubstep in the last couple of months and just wanna get feedback or make a datsik bass and fuck anything else. And those who have been on this thing for a while, have actual technical queries or involved discussion points. But to say it's beyond redemption is being melodramatic imo.

However, without specific reasons given or problems to address to stop the forum going shit, how can you improve it? The Grid on Dogs on Acid is still my number one spot for technical questions and alike, but it's been about for fucking years and years. It's had time to mature and the waves of new users who came to that board when they where young and rowdy (such as myself) have learnt a lot and chilled out.

I think some more compilation/how-to stickies could help, then all the repeated questions can go there and anyone who obviously doesn't read them or search before posting gets a warning straight up. But I don't want this place to be unfriendly, I want people to still be able to crack jokes and post pictures of themselves, or even link to tunes they're currently feeling.

Things do need to be labelled ultra clearly, I thought the changing of the feedback/free320 tags to icons in the dubs forum was a mistake, because it didn't make it fucking blatantly obvious what meant what. And now that forum looks very much like it did before we started tagging things altogether.

I hate the idea of a sub forum that you need to 'earn' access to, could be bare experienced dnb/house/garage or even dubstep producers who only just signed up. But we don't think they're 'worthy' to access/post. Not really on that tbh.

you definitely have a point there. you are one of the reasons why i like visiting dsf every day. just cool moderators such as yourself make this place seem a little more chill than other forums I have been to where the moderator doesn't care about the members and would only pop up and interact with people at least once a month, and was way stricter.

[hifi]

Leg, I appear pessimistic, and to a large extent I am. But I think this thread can't help dsfp. I think dsfp is beyond help. Think we're looking at a new chapter of dsfp. This chapter is likely to be filled with inexperienced teenage producers sharing cobbled production half truths. Most of the experienced, talented, artistic producers have already left. This saddens me, honestly, because I've gained so much through dsfp. Not even joking that this place changed my life, and the way I work.

One potential solution is to have a two tiered forum, a shallow end, and a deep end (please don't mix metaphors here). It is clear that the google bot is sending every 15 yo producer with a cracked massive here. The board is over run with these people. If there was a separate area for more experienced producers, maybe, just maybe, dsf could retain some artistic/intellectual capital. Otherwise this board is going to be filled with myriad Chad the rapists, and no one of substance will remain.

I've argued against a two tiered dsfp several times over the years. But I've finally come around to the idea as a last ditch effort to keep something of value here on dsfp.

I've got nothing against the younger producers here, more power to them, and I vow to spend time in the shallow end fielding Fl Studio questions as well as general production questions, but I would really like to be able to carry on more serious conversations in peace.

^ this is so correct. we need you veterans to stick around. you guys are what makes this place. you guys are what will help us shallow tier teenagers become veterans so we can help the next crowd of youngsters trying to be skrillex lol.

imo you guys are what keeps this place from being a complete and useless zoo.

this is also true. I mean can you veterans just tolerate us for at least a few more years? all of us youngsters in a few years will most likely be talking about the same thing you guys are talking about. we are the next dsf generation don't worry some of us have a bit of maturing to do but help us so we may help the people after us.

[flatfaced]

I wanna make a thread with questions and tips from everyone - if everything is not clear enough... and I'll update the answers in the first post...

sumthn like Q&A but Q like "how to make that sound" and "what is filter" would be ignored...

many times I have a single question only with simple answer and i dont want to open a whole thread for it and i dont want to send PMs also

[Dystinkt]

Stickying something like the melodic dubstep group thread or the dungeon sound thread just for a bit more variety in terms of stickied sound design issues and maybe by chance someone looking for a skrillex bass will click the sticky and have their dubstep horizons broadened man. theres a lot of deep heads on this forum but surprisingly little in the way of technical guidance in terms of making deeper stuff.

[deadly_habit]

I abuse power and I am a mod.

I think I might change the big red text at the top of the forum to something more threatening and eye catching.

make it flash like seizure inducing look at me i will not be ignored
that'd be the first thing i'd do with the stickies if i could
oh and anyone who has been wondering about my absense from aim too that's just due too my contact list being too big and constantly bombarded by people i'd just like to ignore (aka spam) not anyone on here in particular or anything like that, plus i've moved on to skype since it's easier to just chat while doing other things
so if anyone wants my skype info get at me

[symmetricalsounds]

because you're at a point now where you're the one meant to be making 'interesting' and 'helpful' threads for new members,

plenty of truth in this.

[nowaysj]

Kaiori, disagree re the new crop of people. Most of the threads on the first page are started by people with less than 10 posts, or close to 1,000 posts in 2 months. The average age has dropped to the middle/low teens. And a large majority of the new members are all about skrillex. I've been a member of this forum since 2007 and it has unquestionably changed.

This appears to be the new breed of forum member, and this is what they think dubstep is:



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On a minor note, I don't mind the how do you make this sound type threads. This is a production forum, and you should be able to ask questions about how sounds are made, that seems so obvious to me I don't even know how to rationalize it! BUT when each one is asking the same question... yeah, fuck that.

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It seems like the powers that be think that renaming the stickies is going to sort this problem out... I'm sorry to say that I don't see that happening. Proceed with your plan, but how about setting a date 2 months from today to analyze and discuss the efficacy of these fixes. If we still find ourselves in a dire situation, maybe we should consider more drastic measures.

[JFK]

I have to say I agree with Noways.........

Rename the stickies, lets see where we are in two months.

[deadly_habit]

SEIZURE TEXT ON STICKIES

[flatfaced]

I thought of something before - for users with < 5 posts - only a big "search button" at full screen and forbidden words like skrilex

[ChadDub]

I think we should have more of myself, the beast.

[shaneynclan]

I would like to highlight a previous post i made, and the last one on this forum like 4 weeks ago...

i'd like to propose a private forum elite club for only specific people.

Could stickying that brostep thread be bringing all these filth children to the board. Maybe google thinks we're all about the bro?

I also wanted to address this statement.
I feel like just because you produce what is termed "brostep" it doesn't immediately makes you an immature tool who is generally just bad at forums, and lacks general production skill.
Alot of producers come to mind when i think of some people who produce brostep that are very technically savvy intelligent, and at the top of the production game, and are not completely immature squares.
I think what alot of experienced users feel like the forum lacks is general insightful discussion for those who generally already know how to work their daw.
I for example would love to see an in depth discussion on delays and stereo wideners, as that has been my latest focus, but will we ever get one in this forum?
probably not.
The fact of the matter remains that due to high energy dubstep (brostep, jumpstep whatever you want to call it) it is extremely popular with the younger folks due to the fact that they were raised in a 100% digital environment and have an attention spam of about a millisecond.
now stay with me here, i'll try not to stray too much from the topic.
because of this, we have an influx of younger individuals who plague this board, filling it with highschool esque non-sense and not even witty retorts and responses.
but it's not their fault, their brains arn't fully developed.
and let's get real, it is very rare that they have the technical prowess as those who have been doing this shit for years, it's just generally not possible (keep in mind, there are always exceptions to ever rule!)
really the only hope for this board is to do what i suggested eons back.

to be admitted you must have been registered for a set point of time, and be voted into the "island" by the other users.
seems like alot of work, but it will cut down in 110% of the stupid bullshit that is not even remotely crucial to expanding our production skill.
With this in mind, if we remain proactive, we can move this genre foward, rather than backwards, as it is starting to go.

restart the producer ?'s.
Let's write some solid tutorials for others.
Have some insightful discussions.
And make the music better for everyone.

[deadly_habit]

even something as simple and gay as a rep or karma feature could help weed out people who give legit advice vs people who talk out their ass

[deadly_habit]

I would like to highlight a previous post i made, and the last one on this forum like 4 weeks ago...

i'd like to propose a private forum elite club for only specific people.

Could stickying that brostep thread be bringing all these filth children to the board. Maybe google thinks we're all about the bro?

I also wanted to address this statement.
I feel like just because you produce what is termed "brostep" it doesn't immediately makes you an immature tool who is generally just bad at forums, and lacks general production skill.
Alot of producers come to mind when i think of some people who produce brostep that are very technically savvy intelligent, and at the top of the production game, and are not completely immature squares.
I think what alot of experienced users feel like the forum lacks is general insightful discussion for those who generally already know how to work their daw.
I for example would love to see an in depth discussion on delays and stereo wideners, as that has been my latest focus, but will we ever get one in this forum?
probably not.
The fact of the matter remains that due to high energy dubstep (brostep, jumpstep whatever you want to call it) it is extremely popular with the younger folks due to the fact that they were raised in a 100% digital environment and have an attention spam of about a millisecond.
now stay with me here, i'll try not to stray too much from the topic.
because of this, we have an influx of younger individuals who plague this board, filling it with highschool esque non-sense and not even witty retorts and responses.
but it's not their fault, their brains arn't fully developed.
and let's get real, it is very rare that they have the technical prowess as those who have been doing this shit for years, it's just generally not possible (keep in mind, there are always exceptions to ever rule!)
really the only hope for this board is to do what i suggested eons back.

to be admitted you must have been registered for a set point of time, and be voted into the "island" by the other users.
seems like alot of work, but it will cut down in 110% of the stupid bullshit that is not even remotely crucial to expanding our production skill.
With this in mind, if we remain proactive, we can move this genre foward, rather than backwards, as it is starting to go.

restart the producer ?'s.
Let's write some solid tutorials for others.
Have some insightful discussions.
And make the music better for everyone.

can vouch for intelligent bro producers etc
though i dont chat with em that much anymore some of the bigger names in us bro i've been chating with for ages via doa, aim, in person networking for ages and they know their shit and some of em work real audio jobs
they just don't wanna deal with all the nooby i can't google questions etc so avoid posting here or answering those emails etc

[shaneynclan]

or legendary could make me a mod and i will start only what is known as "the dsf great purge" and delete all useless non-insightful threads.

[ChadDub]

I think we should just all come together, make a good amount of solid, well put together tutorials, and sticky them.

It would cover everything from basic synth controls to fuckin, other stuff.