Aliens, ghosts etc

[therapist]

How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?

How can you be so absolutely sure they aren't?

How can you be so absolutely sure were not living in the matrix?

Two equally valid/sensible questions there.

[gorillabearbear]

How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?

How can you be so absolutely sure they aren't?

not to be a dick about this, but I find this a slightly lazy argument. Obviously everyone should be open to receiving new evidence on its own merit without any kind of bias - but it seems to me that currently, there are scientific arguments that suggest that ghosts can't exist, and equally provide alternate explanations for most ghost sitings. I know that none of this renders the statement that I can't be sure ghosts don't exist false, but at the same time that doesn't mean that I have to take anyone seriously when they tell me about ghost riders in their kitchen.

edit: of course if we are in the matrix then my entire argument is null and void.

[youthful_implants]

How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?

How can you be so absolutely sure they aren't?

How can you be so absolutely sure were not living in the matrix?

Two equally valid/sensible questions there.

Big fan of simulation theory. Not because I believe its true, but because it raises important questions about what reality is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

[therapist]

How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?

How can you be so absolutely sure they aren't?

How can you be so absolutely sure were not living in the matrix?

Two equally valid/sensible questions there.

Big fan of simulation theory. Not because I believe its true, but because it raises important questions about what reality is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

I bet.

[youthful_implants]

meh

[youthful_implants]

I bet.

yeah its good stuff but actually not as influential or ground-breaking as similar propositions on reality from 19th Century philosopher Bertrand Russell who logically argued that our senses and memory are not infallible.

[therapist]

Ghosts aren't real.

[youthful_implants]

I totally agree with you.

[cityzen]

@ gorillabearbear: My point is that there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other and so I take issue with statements like "How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?"

[therapist]

@ gorillabearbear: My point is that there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other and so I take issue with statements like "How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?"

I get you're all spiritual and that, but seriously? What kind of conclusive evidence are you thinking of? This isn't like debating whether big-foot or the loch-ness monster is real, this is fucking ghosts. Non-material 'beings' that somehow interact with the physical world?

It's just beyond pointless to cite "no conclusive evidence" as an argument for ghosts potentially existing. I think even werewolves, zombies and vampires make more sense as concepts than ghosts.

[borrowed]

@ gorillabearbear: My point is that there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other and so I take issue with statements like "How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?"

I get you're all spiritual and that, but seriously? What kind of conclusive evidence are you thinking of? This isn't like debating whether big-foot or the loch-ness monster is real, this is fucking ghosts. Non-material 'beings' that somehow interact with the physical world?

It's just beyond pointless to cite "no conclusive evidence" as an argument for ghosts potentially existing. I think even werewolves, zombies and vampires make more sense as concepts than ghosts.

But thats just like, your opinion, man

[gorillabearbear]

^^Yeah, I know, but I would argue that the evidence in one direction is stronger. Do I mean evidence? Perhaps I mean the application of other principles. There is at least one scientific principle (conservation of energy) that kind of procludes their existence, surely? I understand where you are coming from, I guess I just feel it's a bit the same as when people say things like "well that's just your opinion." Of course anything i say is my opinion, I'm not going to preface everything I say with an equivocation to that effect!

I think my dad's response to a discussion like this would be; there is no way of knowing, so why bother asking the question.

[cityzen]

@ gorillabearbear: My point is that there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other and so I take issue with statements like "How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?"

I get you're all spiritual and that, but seriously? What kind of conclusive evidence are you thinking of? This isn't like debating whether big-foot or the loch-ness monster is real, this is fucking ghosts. Non-material 'beings' that somehow interact with the physical world?

It's just beyond pointless to cite "no conclusive evidence" as an argument for ghosts potentially existing. I think even werewolves, zombies and vampires make more sense as concepts than ghosts.

Let's av it right son - i'm not trying to argue that ghosts exist. Like I said, I take issue with your statement of "How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?" I ask again - how can you be so absolutely sure they don't?
You can't.
If you had phrased it differently I wouldn't have picked up on it, but they way you said it makes you sound like you're oh-so-sure they don't which is very nearly as bad as thinking that they do.

[bright maroon]

I was more of a skeptic when I was younger...across the board in regards to all phenomenon

and I'm still not sure if I believe - But I am more prone to think that there are some things going on..

like telepathy and mediumship...



I am definately not the only one who has seen the lights in my region...well, my parents region..

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[therapist]

@ gorillabearbear: My point is that there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other and so I take issue with statements like "How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?"

I get you're all spiritual and that, but seriously? What kind of conclusive evidence are you thinking of? This isn't like debating whether big-foot or the loch-ness monster is real, this is fucking ghosts. Non-material 'beings' that somehow interact with the physical world?

It's just beyond pointless to cite "no conclusive evidence" as an argument for ghosts potentially existing. I think even werewolves, zombies and vampires make more sense as concepts than ghosts.

Let's av it right son - i'm not trying to argue that ghosts exist. Like I said, I take issue with your statement of "How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?" I ask again - how can you be so absolutely sure they don't?
You can't.
If you had phrased it differently I wouldn't have picked up on it, but they way you said it makes you sound like you're oh-so-sure they don't which is very nearly as bad as thinking that they do.

You said there is no evidence for or against, right? I asked how anyone could think they are real, suggesting there is no possible argument for ghosts being real. You said there is no argument for, I said there is no argument for, where is the issue?

[cityzen]

You said there is no evidence for or against, right?

I said there is no conclusive evidence, it's not quite the same.

I asked how anyone could think they are real, suggesting there is no possible argument for ghosts being real.

People think they are real when they have 'seen' them.

You said there is no argument for

No, I didn't.

where is the issue?

I suppose it's just the way you said it. No biggie. If you'd said "Ghosts aren't real" - fair enough, that's your opinion. But "How the fuck can anyone think there's any slight chance ghosts are real?" sounds like you're saying that anyone who does believe in them is a fucking idiot/mental case. Also, as i've already said, it makes you sound like you think you know one way or the other, which you don't. Maybe a jovial tone was lost in internet translation (?)

[Shum]

What a bunch of serious guys.

[youthful_implants]

What a bunch of serious guys.

[nowaysj]

Non-material 'beings' that somehow interact with the physical world?

There is at least one scientific principle (conservation of energy) that kind of procludes their existence, surely?

[Depone]

Used to live right near berry pomeroy castle, one of the most documented 'haunted' places in the uk. im not sure ware i stand on this matter, i have witnessed some funked up stuff happening but logically i know it cant happen.