alex jones worshippers. this is for you. MASSIVE rant.

[misk]

i've seen why we fight - good stuff there. that link you posted parson, im checking it out. looks pretty dope.

i have to admit that i believe in aliens because i want to believe in them. I believe in certain "occult" experiences because i've had them.

[parson]

occult/alien

semantics

[FSTZ]

REPTILIANS FTW!!!!


*festy beams back abord the mothership

[doomstep]

pre-school.

you dont know me, or where Im coming from.

you seem to be confused by my usage of the word "you"

Cool cool,
sorry man I was in a hurry & quik to jump the gun,
now Im sat in Hethrow watchin civilization collapse at an alarming rate.

occult/alien

semantics

hhhhmmmm,

I can get down with the distinction bein semantic, only cos I dont think "we're" entirelly 'un-alien'

(there I think that was ambiguous enough)

[FSTZ]

I'm going to have to mention how the desired reaction of those in power is the denial.

I have seen a lot of Alex's movies and I do think he is sometimes over the top, but yeah..

maybe thats what we need right now.

some nutty shit going on and the fact that a large majority of people in the USA still think we care abou the Iraqi people, or the Afganni people is crazy.

we are using the Iraq war to steal the oil and we use Afghanistan for the opium poppy

no brainer here

The U.S. Govt has always been shady, and always will be

[parson]

I can get down with the distinction bein semantic, only cos I dont think "we're" entirelly 'un-alien'

(there I think that was ambiguous enough)

no doubt in my mind that we're alien hybrids

[showguns]

[doomstep]

^^^

wat r u on showguns, do you only have disscussions with pre-determined outcomes perhaps?

I can get down with the distinction bein semantic, only cos I dont think "we're" entirelly 'un-alien'

(there I think that was ambiguous enough)

no doubt in my mind that we're alien hybrids

The word 'alien' doesnt sit well with me, I think thats my aversion to people saying they 'believe in aliens'

I dont believe in aliens, dont mean I think this particular space station is the be all n end all of the universe either.

[parson]

watch the disclosure project vids

high ranking government officials speak frankly about the subject

there are 400 of them and at the time of that press conference, 100 of them had submitted testimony to the disclosure project and the press conference is the first 20 of them very briefly explaining what they want to testify in front of congress. one of the things discussed is 52 catalloged species of EXTRATERRESTRIAL LIFEFORMS that they have dealt with and many of them are so humanoid in appearance that they are impossible to differentiate from humans visually.

this calls into question everything we have come to understand about evolution, and serves as a huge piece of evidence backing the theory of panspermia

[FSTZ]

yeah and the debunkers have really gone outta their to ruin Stephen Greers' life.

if there was no validity to what he was doing...

why would they care??

[showguns]

^^^

wat r u on showguns, do you only have disscussions with pre-determined outcomes perhaps?

what.

[parson]

yeah and the debunkers have really gone outta their to ruin Stephen Greers' life.

if there was no validity to what he was doing...

why would they care??

he's too easy a target

it only takes one of them to be telling the truth

[j_j]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... llar+cycle


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0&q=9%2F11



ignore what alex jones says..and watch the footage......its all factual evidence.its not about his dumb propaganda, its easy to ignore.
neither of these videos are alex jones related.

[parson]

yo zomby i know our personalities have always clashed 100% but i've always been down w/ your political passion

[shonky]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy

Quite interesting and (I think) pretty balanced view on the various conspiracies. Thought these last two paragraphs were pretty interesting

"There are psychological explanations for why conspiracy theories are so seductive. Academics who study them argue that they meet a basic human need: to have the magnitude of any given effect be balanced by the magnitude of the cause behind it. A world in which tiny causes can have huge consequences feels scary and unreliable. Therefore a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it.

'We tend to associate major events — a President or princess dying — with major causes,' says Patrick Leman, a lecturer in psychology at Royal Holloway University of London, who has conducted studies on conspiracy belief. 'If we think big events like a President being assassinated can happen at the hands of a minor individual, that points to the unpredictability and randomness of life and unsettles us.' In that sense, the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting"

[selector.dub.u]

2 words:

occam's razor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor

entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem,

which translates to:

entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.

i.e

This is often paraphrased as "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest hypothetical entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.

[unempty]

2 words: occam's razor

Here's the simplest possible explanation: Aliens.
Slice that one, mr Occam.

[selector.dub.u]

2 words: occam's razor

Here's the simplest possible explanation: Aliens.
Slice that one, mr Occam.

there is no empirical data to back up that explanation.

as soon as there is. and it is presented to me in person where i can verify it beyond a shadow of a doubt, i will begin to consider the possibility that aliens are a factor in determining the outcome of human endeavor and history - including but not limited to commercial jet airplanes being flown into
the world trade center towers and the pentagon on september 11th 2001.

until then -i think it clouds perception and our responses to problems of our own making.

[unempty]

there is no empirical data to back up that explanation.
...
until then -i think it clouds perception and our responses to problems of our own making.

They would have you think that now, wouldn't they? What, with our three cute dimensions and all. You know they have five... thousand..
Let's just say Occam's Razor isn't made by Gillette Inc of Terra, if you know what I mean ...

Seriously though, conspiracy theories are greatly appreciated by policymakers and intelligence folk, since it makes for wonderful grand smoke screens to cover mundane, ugly and specific truths.

Now, if there was some real investigative journalism, intellectual stamina and political independence in media - and continuously so - perhaps there would be less conspiracy theorizing and more informed engagement by the public in our supposedly democratic process. There's something to be said for transparency and open access to what's effectively our own property - the elected government.

There's plenty of nastiness to go around in truth alone, well before curiously exploring the other side of the aforementioned razor.

But, of course, what good would that do the men in power, right?

[selector.dub.u]

there is no empirical data to back up that explanation.
...
until then -i think it clouds perception and our responses to problems of our own making.

They would have you think that now, wouldn't they? What, with our three cute dimensions and all. You know they have five... thousand..
Let's just say Occam's Razor isn't made by Gillette Inc of Terra, if you know what I mean ...

Seriously though, conspiracy theories are greatly appreciated by policymakers and intelligence folk, since it makes for wonderful grand smoke screens to cover mundane, ugly and specific truths.

Now, if there was some real investigative journalism, intellectual stamina and political independence in media - and continuously so - perhaps there would be less conspiracy theorizing and more informed engagement by the public in our democratic process. There's something to be said for transparency and open access to what's effectively our own property - the elected government.

There's plenty of nastiness to go around in truth alone, well before curiously exploring the other side of the razor.

But, of course, what good would that do the men in power, right?

I agree.