wrote:IDIOT or (noam) said: also, that statement about ancient people not knowing anything about Cosmology is one of the jokest things i've read, the Ancients invented Cosmology - why do you think we have a fucking calendar.
Who do you mean when you say 'Ancients'?
I'm talking about a specific group of people:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/cosmo_bibl2.htmThe traditional explanation is that the Five Books of Moses were written by Moses himself. There are several variants of this explanation:
•Traditional Judaism and fundamentalist Christianity believe that the text was dictated by God to Moses on Mount
Sinai, letter for letter (or pretty much letter for letter).
•Other religious groups still ascribe authorship to Moses, but use words like "divinely inspired" rather than "dictated
letter for letter."
•Still others say Moses was the sole author, but there's nothing "divine" about it except in the sense that all great
works of literature and poetry are "inspired."
So we can assume god didnt dictate it word for word, given it's many inconsistencies. Well it was written by Hebrews most probably (2500-3200) years ago. These are the people I'm talking about. You see? A very specific group of people. Look up the word specific. I'm surprised you are not aware of this concept (since you are so 'smart' as you put it).
now take a look at this:
This is their cosmological understanding at the time. So my point is that it is very obvious that the bible was written with a great lack of knowlege due to the fact that collective human knowledge increases with time, 2500 years is a very long time in human scales. If they knew that:
The universe contained 100-200 billion galaxies, that this may be 1 of many or infinite universes, that matter is not dead, that consciousness has consequence at the most fundamental levels ie: quantum particles, that quantum particles are in fact waves or probabilites in a linear vector space that react to consciousness, that we are all connected at the fundamental level via quantum entaglement, and many, many other things that can cause a massive paradigm shift of thinking.
(Dont take my word for it, read some books)
My point being that they would'nt said all that stupid stuff, like: talking snake, Noah. (see Rick Gervais Stand-up), Creationism. (ie: Darwinismn is false), there's loads of this stuff, You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife,
or male or female slave(its ok to have slaves), or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour, the list is long! The underlined really makes my point, It is so obviously related to that time in history, it's like flared trousers and flowerpower x 2000, My other point was that by subscribing to this way of thinking you are anchoring your spirituality to 2500 in the past.
homosexuality - Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.
So if you're going to argue with me then make a RELEVANT point about what I am saying.
ps I guess it is only fair to let you try and disparage my own beliefs, after I have had a go at yours.
I believe that 'god' is a fundamental consciousness. And that this consciousness created the universe(s?) in order to accumulate the knowledge of countless billions of conscious beings. How else would such a being know what death felt like or what fear was or finiteness? I dont know much about god really besides that, I'm strong enough simply to hope that I will live on in some way. I dont know if death is final, I dont need to be told that I will go to heaven, I dont presume to know the mind of god. Nobody has to die for my beliefs. I dont need a commandment to tell me what things are wrong.
