Scientific evidence for God existence.

[_v_]

burn in hell satan lover!

[idontreallygiveashit]

and wouldn't worship him even if he was real.

if he said worship me or be sent to hell would you still refuse?

[tyger]

i'm down with the idea that there may be things beyond our understanding ... but wondering whether that would include a god is likely trying to comprehend the incomprehensible - and tends to drag in a bunch of idea from the nearest traditional religion to hand ... when all i wanted was a bit of modesty in the face of the vastness & complexity of the universe ...

[ehbes]

I'm really about to nerd myself out here, but if any of you are looking to kill 2 hours...maybe a car ride idk this debate on religion is one of the better ones I've listened too

[SCope13]

and wouldn't worship him even if he was real.

if he said worship me or be sent to hell would you still refuse?

define hell.

[_v_]

and wouldn't worship him even if he was real.

if he said worship me or be sent to hell would you still refuse?

define hell.

Surley youve heard of the place?

you know, little red guys poking you with big forks for eternity.

[idontreallygiveashit]

urr durr geez well umm its lyk dis place dat is different fings fo differnt peeps and lyk u may like it lolz but wot do i no im no filosifr

its a place where you'll suffer eternal torment

[SCope13]

[idontreallygiveashit]

Well said Marcus, there definitely will only be two types of god if any. Waiting for your response SCope13 or do you want to join Mr Aurelius in eternal punishment?

[constrobuz]

marcus aurelius married his cousin would u marry ur cousin?!?!?!

[tyger]

define hell.

Surley youve heard of the place?

you know, little red guys poking you with big forks for eternity.

do they ever get the red uniforms laundered? where is the laundrette?

how much are the little red guys paid? where do they go if they walk out or get sacked?

(i have lots more questions, if you want 'em ...)

[SCope13]

I'll join Aurelius. If god is going to punish people for thinking critically and having a few qualms with a guy that told someone to kill his own son, then yeah he can go fuck himself.

[idontreallygiveashit]

If it was worth infinite suffering she must have been a piece and half

also lol, yes everyone would be so brave on judgment day, never give up never surrender!

[_v_]

define hell.

Surley youve heard of the place?

you know, little red guys poking you with big forks for eternity.

do they ever get the red uniforms laundered? where is the laundrette?

how much are the little red guys paid? where do they go if they walk out or get sacked?

(i have lots more questions, if you want 'em ...)

Yes, please continue...

[tyger]

define hell.

Surley youve heard of the place?

you know, little red guys poking you with big forks for eternity.

do they ever get the red uniforms laundered? where is the laundrette?

how much are the little red guys paid? where do they go if they walk out or get sacked?

(i have lots more questions, if you want 'em ...)

Yes, please continue...

er, really? ...

who does the catering? what happens if you go on hunger strike?

where does the sewage & rubbish go to? is hell sustainable?

can the forks be used as tuning forks?

could you bribe the little red guys?

wouldn't masochists enjoy it?

...

[_v_]

define hell.

Surley youve heard of the place?

you know, little red guys poking you with big forks for eternity.

do they ever get the red uniforms laundered? where is the laundrette?

how much are the little red guys paid? where do they go if they walk out or get sacked?

(i have lots more questions, if you want 'em ...)

Yes, please continue...

no Laundry, dirty clothes everyday, god has that good washing powder for the bright whites...

Minimum wage, high taxes. No breaks, no punching the clock, no sackings, There is no escapeing the eternal shift.



er, really? ...

who does the catering? what happens if you go on hunger strike?

where does the sewage & rubbish go to? is hell sustainable?

can the forks be used as tuning forks?

could you bribe the little red guys?

wouldn't masochists enjoy it?

...

No catering, no food, eternal hunger= hunger strike futile.

sewage goes everywhere, theres lakes and rivers of it, its how you get around.

Hell is doing a good job of being sustainable, eternity is quite an achievement.

No in tune tunes in Hell = no tuning forks unfortunately.

you can try, but wont do any good.

Masochists get sent to heaven, a sort of reverse Hell loophole.

...

I thought this stuff was common knowledge?

Now worship me, I am your Messiah!

you can worship by giving me whiskey & weed.

...

[tyger]

i only have whisky (i.e. scotch not irish)

[zeta]

[/quote]

Just because we don't understand something doesnt mean GOD AND JESUS DID IT.

And yeah, of course a god is possible. I 100% do not believe in the Christian god though, and wouldn't worship him even if he was real.[/quote]

I wasn't trying to promote any particular traditional religion... and my personal ideology goes beyond rationality for stuff happening on Earth, since I'm of the belief that humankind should be responsible for their own actions.

I'm all for finding things through science and understanding things, but I was just pointing out that science is based on logical experience on things we can observe and see. Any theoretical mass that exists in multiple dimensions or lives on another plane of existence entirely is therefore impossible for us to even detect unless we were to make such a jump in evolution as well.

There's a scientific theory, though it's more metaphysical, called transcension hypothesis which was posted here a while back. It's so wild and far-fetched that it hasn't got much ground in the scientific community, but the notion that there are parts of the universe completely inaccessible to us and that higher forms of intelligence live on these transcended planes is intriguing.

Compare this to the idea of a pretty sketch on a paper. It's pretty, but it's ultimately two-dimensional. All the things in it know is two-dimensions - the boundaries of the paper are the boundaries of its universe. It can only see in the colours that it has been drawn in.

Could the drawings, if they were alive, even fathom the idea of a three-dimensional universe? Let alone the idea that all they were was a sketch on a paper, one of hundreds in the artist's portfolio?

i'm down with the idea that there may be things beyond our understanding ... but wondering whether that would include a god is likely trying to comprehend the incomprehensible - and tends to drag in a bunch of idea from the nearest traditional religion to hand ... when all i wanted was a bit of modesty in the face of the vastness & complexity of the universe ...

It's weird how similar many traditional religions are... though conceivably, if a god has made contact with humanity and they wrote it down it would be impossible for petty human ideas to fully synthesise the nature of such a being. Hence we attempt to rationalise, humanise and personalise one, creating a god with human ideals since a god that is metahuman is beyond our understanding. They try to grasp at the nature of 'god' by comparing it to what they know best.

[_v_]

i only have whisky (i.e. scotch not irish)

Perfect, im not fussy.

[Dub_freak]

But WHY is god too complex to understand? Do you know how much the human mind can handle? What is the limit to what we can understand? If the idea of a god is too complex then how do you know its too complex? Is is not possible that a creator is actually amazingly simple?

And the idea of hell was created to scare children in to behaving themselves, i seriously hope none of you actually believe it.