Dubstep the main genre on rinse now

[Whistla]

Rinse is an online station mate.

hahaha.

(not getting involved in this thread but that is funny)

Appropriately, N-Type's also a radio DJ, hosting a Sunday night show on the once-pirate, now internet-based Rinse FM, where you'll hear arcane banter ('hold tight the 613! Hold tight Grand!') and an up-to-the-minute snapshot of dubstep's good-times wing.

So yeh, as I was saying...rinse is an internet based station

love it
so that station on the FM dial isnt rinse fm (maybe this fm station is an imposter!) hahaha
oh sumone is re-broadcasting the internet feed are they? ha! jokers
if sumone is relaying your feed you cud quite easily ban that IP address from locking in to your stream.
therefore in "the eyes of the law" (ie ofcom) you are responsible for the breach of radio licensing as much as the "owner" of the rig

[Whistla]

Also - for those snoozing and dont know the real facts try search the web for the phrases "rinse ofcom" and see what you get..

As radio moves into the digital age, the future looks uncertain for such stations, but Rinse FM, London's biggest pirate, is facing up to the challenge of adapting itself. The station, which has been on air for 12 years, specialises in street music and has fostered many of the underground genres that feed into mainstream popular music, including grime, dubstep and garage. It has long been essential listening for fans who want to hear the music that street legends (and Rinse regulars) such as Wiley or Skream have made that morning, rather than waiting 18 months through negotiations with agents, publicists and record companies before the tunes are aired on legal radio.

By moving on to the internet last year, Rinse broke with the old pirate radio model of a local rogue transmitter on the rooftop of a council estate. It is now available to listeners all over the world as Rinse.fm, an internet station, and free podcasts can be downloaded on iTunes. This is the first stage of a campaign to court a legal FM licence from Ofcom.

If Rinse does succeed in winning the licence, it will be interesting to see whether it will be able to maintain the raw, distinctive style that draws its core audience. The DJs on Rinse have a real intimacy with their listeners, coming from a shared passion for music that is viewed with suspicion by the mainstream. This has always been the key to pirate radio's appeal; I have friends who, as teenagers, would drive around desolate bits of Bermondsey just to find the best spot to get clear reception for So Solid Crew's show on Delight FM.

http://www.newstatesman.com/200708300033

I refer you to my above post
just because the "mechanics" of transmission are slightly different, the fm licensing is being broken by content that can easily be prevented from being broadcasted, thus rinse is still accountable

[ufo over easy]

So yeh, as I was saying...rinse is an internet based station

is there any point in being so deliberately obtuse? you have nothing to gain by sticking to rinse licensing propaganda when you know it's false. there's nothing wrong with geeneus trying to hide it if they're trying to go legal, fair enough.. but what's the point in you stubbornly sticking to it as well when it's so obviously standing in the way of the discussion? you do have a mind of your own right? or are you just out to blindly protect the scene from criticism wherever you find it?

[ashley]

Rinse is an online station mate.

hahaha.

(not getting involved in this thread but that is funny)

Appropriately, N-Type's also a radio DJ, hosting a Sunday night show on the once-pirate, now internet-based Rinse FM, where you'll hear arcane banter ('hold tight the 613! Hold tight Grand!') and an up-to-the-minute snapshot of dubstep's good-times wing.

So yeh, as I was saying...rinse is an internet based station

love it
so that station on the FM dial isnt rinse fm (maybe this fm station is an imposter!) hahaha
oh sumone is re-broadcasting the internet feed are they? ha! jokers
if sumone is relaying your feed you cud quite easily ban that IP address from locking in to your stream.
therefore in "the eyes of the law" (ie ofcom) you are responsible for the breach of radio licensing as much as the "owner" of the rig

People can use proxies bruv to pretend they are connecting from elsewhere - or maybe they dont have time to keep banning people as in a way its doing them a favour but un intentionally hurting the application. But I see what your saying..

[ashley]

So yeh, as I was saying...rinse is an internet based station

is there any point in being so deliberately obtuse? you have nothing to gain by sticking to rinse licensing propaganda when you know it's false. there's nothing wrong with geeneus trying to hide it if they're trying to go legal, fair enough.. but what's the point in you stubbornly sticking to it as well when it's so obviously standing in the way of the discussion? you do have a mind of your own right? or are you just out to blindly protect the scene from criticism wherever you find it?

What makes you think its false mate?

Rinse has been around since the mid/late 90's - you think if they didnt have faith or liked what they are doing they would last this long?

Im supporting something I would like to see happen, growth, changes you know - becomming a popular culture rather than being shunned upon due to the audience it brings in (young adults) and being related to grime, especially with the type of shit associated with grime.

Maybe its people like you are scared of changes, who knows - dont try and hold it back bruv - maybe you should start a pirate and see how much fun and games it really is.

[harlesden]

If it means i could have listend to Distance doing his thing, his way on friday. I'm for it i think.

amen

[*grand*]

strictly moving with the time's.. grimes pretty dead.. and to be honest they stil have some of the best grime shows.. slew dem, Roll deep, The Commitee, Spyro, Neckle Camp to name but a few.. truth is there isn't much money in it.. Dubstep has always been a part of rinse.. just was a manily 11-5 sort of thing.... Wehn Grime was Hot it was al you mainly heard on rinse.. along with house.. and UKG.. but as time change.. listeners change.. so ofcourse the music has to change.. adapt really.

[ptr]

So is there a new timetable or what? Is rinse stil unorganised as fuck? heard heny g got removed which is wierd considering that he was fairly popular.

Where was this said anyway? on the rwd forum? Please tell the source.

Rinse as a pirate ain't the same anymore anyway. I can never get a signal and i'm not too far when I'm in London (SE1). It's moved into internet radio territory really. (although it still has no website)

Totally offtopic but coincidently I'm currently listening to that album you have in your avatar;).

[jolly wailer]

Appropriately, N-Type's also a radio DJ, hosting a Sunday night show on the once-pirate, now internet-based Rinse FM, where you'll hear arcane banter ('hold tight the 613! Hold tight Grand!') and an up-to-the-minute snapshot of dubstep's good-times wing.

this makes me laugh over and over....


what do they mean by good-times wing??? laughs..

[ufo over easy]

What makes you think its false mate?

they still broadcast on FM. even if it is true that someone's retransmitting the stream (lol ), the fact that they don't shut it down suggests that they're condoning it. as whistla said, it would be perfectly easy to IP ban the culprit. if they were an internet only station that is.

Maybe its people like you are scared of changes, who knows - dont try and hold it back bruv - maybe you should start a pirate and see how much fun and games it really is.

yeah yeah big up gee, big up ammo, big up the scene, you're all wicked. fuck it, I'm not criticising them as people - they've obviously done absolutely amazing things for this music. I just don't really like the direction things seem to be moving in.. I think in their quest to move into the mainstream they're abandoning their core audience, and this grime thing may well be another example, although no one seems willing to tell us what it's all about.

regardless though, by blithely adhering to the 'official' Rinse stance, or what little of one there is, you're standing in the way of what could be a positive discussion.

"hey guys, what do you think about rinse trying to go legal?" "I don't know what you mean, they're a legal internet station." "right..."

[fushimi]

Yes, very much so. We want to be legal. We don’t want to be legal to play stupid adverts and make loads of money from advertising. We want to be legal to say; look at our scene, look at what we doing. We’re a business, we’re not criminals. We want to be able to say ‘Rinse FM’ wherever we go, and for it not to be seen as bad thing. Kiss’s angle is completely different from Rinse’s. they want to make loads of money from advertising car insurance. We don’t want to advertise car insurance. And, possibly, we could go legit, with a license. We’re supplying something that no one else is supplying, and we’re very professional. We know how to run businesses. We run numerous businesses, like record labels [Geeneus owns the grime and dubstep labels Bingo Beats and Dumpvalve, and the House label, Jelly Jams].

Funny.

The people behind Ammunition strike me as the kind of people that've read some kind of "how to built a media empire" book, instead of actually paying a professional for the expertise to do it properly.

[SHAFEY]

If the problem is with MC's/explicit lyrics why not just ban grime MC's instead of the music???

[ken]

i was just wondering..this is off topic but at what times does rinse FM play good music?

[docdoom]

Anyone who thinks Rinse is not a pirate is heavily deluded.

How come Geeneus the boss says 'We would like to go legal'??

How can somebody possibly say that if they are already legal? That's quite basic logic to comprehend really. You must think you know the insides of Geeneus' brain better than him.

[masstronaut]

I know it's very much beside the point but from a technical point of view if someone were retransmitting the stream on FM how exactly would you be able to tell who it was?

Even without using a proxy I can only see two ways of telling:

1. Just lock off any IP that is on all the time.

2. Kill off IPs selectively and see when the transmission goes off air.

You could argue that both of these are going to be impractical on a constant basis.

Also obviously I don't know what happened but if there was trouble caused at the station I think it's understandable that the owner might get pissed off and overreact a little, no? Studios have to keep a low profile, if people don't respect that you've got to take a firm line.

[ashley]

What makes you think its false mate?

they still broadcast on FM. even if it is true that someone's retransmitting the stream (lol ), the fact that they don't shut it down suggests that they're condoning it. as whistla said, it would be perfectly easy to IP ban the culprit. if they were an internet only station that is.

Maybe its people like you are scared of changes, who knows - dont try and hold it back bruv - maybe you should start a pirate and see how much fun and games it really is.

yeah yeah big up gee, big up ammo, big up the scene, you're all wicked. fuck it, I'm not criticising them as people - they've obviously done absolutely amazing things for this music. I just don't really like the direction things seem to be moving in.. I think in their quest to move into the mainstream they're abandoning their core audience, and this grime thing may well be another example, although no one seems willing to tell us what it's all about.

regardless though, by blithely adhering to the 'official' Rinse stance, or what little of one there is, you're standing in the way of what could be a positive discussion.

"hey guys, what do you think about rinse trying to go legal?" "I don't know what you mean, they're a legal internet station." "right..."

yeah yeah big up gee, big up ammo, big up the scene, you're all wicked. fuck it, I'm not criticising them as people - they've obviously done absolutely amazing things for this music.

Im not sure whether to understand that statement as sarcasm or your lack of knowledge or just blatant ignorance on who is responsible for what. Bruv - back in the days there used to be a handful of people that turned up to events, people used to get limos to FWD thats how important it was (and it was cheaper than cabs).

I just don't really like the direction things seem to be moving in.. I think in their quest to move into the mainstream they're abandoning their core audience, and this grime thing may well be another example, although no one seems willing to tell us what it's all about.

Gotta open close some doors to open others right? And the direction things are moving in? You mean, getting more popular and attracting a wider audience to get established on its own is wrong? You are wrong in the head mate.

Fuck knows what idiots want to keep this scene held back - yeh its in a comfortable state at the moment but it cant stay like this forever, things need to progress.

And the core audience? I think at the moment the core audience are those who tune in for dubstep shows mate.

And not telling us what its all about...well, same goes for the FWD camera ban really - just wait and im sure there is a valid reason - again same with the FWD camera ban.

regardless though, by blithely adhering to the 'official' Rinse stance, or what little of one there is, you're standing in the way of what could be a positive discussion.

What? Cos im the only one with an oppositional opinion against all your depression?

Shut up man

[docdoom]

Loads of people stick lock Rinse for Grime - go on RWD and you will see people are pissed off.

Nothing wrong with him saying they are abandoning some of their audience - if they are banning Grime for any length of time then they clearly are doing just that.

[ufo over easy]

Im not sure whether to understand that statement as sarcasm or your lack of knowledge or just blatant ignorance on who is responsible for what. Bruv - back in the days there used to be a handful of people that turned up to events

It wasn't sarcasm. I know my shit, and I know how much they've done.

What? Cos im the only one with an oppositional opinion against all your depression?

no, because your positivity stems solely from regurgitating rinse promo.

this is a bit of a daft argument seeing as we haven't had an official response from rinse yet, but what gets to me is the way you seem to be willing to blindly accept whatever rinse decide, just because they're rinse. you seem to be implying that rinse are 'good for the scene', so anything they do is just fine. and it's that kind of attitude that brought down so many other genres.

[ashley]

Im not sure whether to understand that statement as sarcasm or your lack of knowledge or just blatant ignorance on who is responsible for what. Bruv - back in the days there used to be a handful of people that turned up to events

It wasn't sarcasm. I know my shit, and I know how much they've done.

What? Cos im the only one with an oppositional opinion against all your depression?

no, because your positivity stems solely from regurgitating rinse promo techniques.

Such as?

[ufo over easy]

I swear most of your arguments have consisted of quoting from rinse promo articles, presumably hosted on getdarker