Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Off Topic (Everything besides dubstep)
Forum rules
Please read and follow this sub-forum's specific rules listed HERE, as well as our sitewide rules listed HERE.

Link to the Secret Ninja Sessions community ustream channel - info in this thread
User avatar
Nihilism
Posts: 1738
Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:46 pm
Location: Babylon

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by Nihilism » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:09 pm

Pedro Sánchez wrote:Prison (well at least in the UK) is not about just punishing, it's also about reform.
The numbers on recidivism do not agree with that statement.

User avatar
magma
Posts: 18810
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 9:27 am
Location: Parts Unknown

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by magma » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:15 pm

Nihilism wrote:We should stop thinking that the death penalty is wrong. I think that the death penalty is much more humane then letting prisoners rot in their jail. And yeah, giving someone a life sentence is a 'better' punishment, but for who really? Not for the casualties (plus, justice ain't for revenge) and definitely not for the prisoners. 'Cause what's the point of living if that means you're isolated from the world and every day hoping it will be your last day? And even when someone comes out, their lifes mean nothing anymore. And i'm not saying they should apply the death sentence to even a thief, but when you give someone a life sentence isn't it better to just give them the needle?

But then again, our world is based on the (most corrupted) moral rule that life is good and death is bad. Don't get me wrong, killing someone is definitely wrong, but what if it's a better solution for both parties? And believe me, based on all those documentaries (Louis Theroux is one of them) i saw were prisoners are getting questioned what they want, living in jail or getting the death penalty, it's just shocking how many are choosing for the death penalty.
Speak to prisoners incarcerated for life and see how many of them wouldn't want to experience tomorrow if it was offered.

Not many.
Meus equus tuo altior est

"Let me eat when I'm hungry, let me drink when I'm dry.
Give me dollars when I'm hard up, religion when I die."
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.

User avatar
Nihilism
Posts: 1738
Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:46 pm
Location: Babylon

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by Nihilism » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:19 pm

magma wrote:
Nihilism wrote:We should stop thinking that the death penalty is wrong. I think that the death penalty is much more humane then letting prisoners rot in their jail. And yeah, giving someone a life sentence is a 'better' punishment, but for who really? Not for the casualties (plus, justice ain't for revenge) and definitely not for the prisoners. 'Cause what's the point of living if that means you're isolated from the world and every day hoping it will be your last day? And even when someone comes out, their lifes mean nothing anymore. And i'm not saying they should apply the death sentence to even a thief, but when you give someone a life sentence isn't it better to just give them the needle?

But then again, our world is based on the (most corrupted) moral rule that life is good and death is bad. Don't get me wrong, killing someone is definitely wrong, but what if it's a better solution for both parties? And believe me, based on all those documentaries (Louis Theroux is one of them) i saw were prisoners are getting questioned what they want, living in jail or getting the death penalty, it's just shocking how many are choosing for the death penalty.
Speak to prisoners incarcerated for life and see how many of them wouldn't want to experience tomorrow if it was offered.

Not many.
I think that's more because our will to life is interfering when asking directly, but (like they did in those documentaries) give someone a month or two to think about it and i'm thinking they're are more willing to get the death penalty. But then again, i'm based it on those documentaries. So it's not really a fact.

User avatar
magma
Posts: 18810
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 9:27 am
Location: Parts Unknown

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by magma » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:28 pm

Wouldn't it be slightly "fairer" to allow people to commit suicide as/when they wanted? Execution is always at the State's behest, but if a lifer's been through counseling and still wants out, nobody should stop them IMHO.

A lot of people do great things whilst serving life sentences. Tookie Williams, for example, was doing America a lot more good alive than he is dead.
Meus equus tuo altior est

"Let me eat when I'm hungry, let me drink when I'm dry.
Give me dollars when I'm hard up, religion when I die."
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.

User avatar
Nihilism
Posts: 1738
Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:46 pm
Location: Babylon

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by Nihilism » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:31 pm

magma wrote:Wouldn't it be slightly "fairer" to allow people to commit suicide as/when they wanted? Execution is always at the State's behest, but if a lifer's been through counseling and still wants out, nobody should stop them IMHO.

A lot of people do great things whilst serving life sentences. Tookie Williams, for example, was doing America a lot more good alive than he is dead.
Well yeah, that's probably the best way of doing it.

User avatar
hubb
Posts: 8823
Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:24 pm
Location: ÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅ

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by hubb » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:48 pm

Hooks

both in music and in piracy
OGLemon wrote:cowabunga dude

https://soundcloud.com/qloo/cowabunga-music-of-moby
fragments wrote:SWEEEEEEEEE!

https://soundcloud.com/qloo/cowabunga-t ... o-sweeeeee
Johnlenham wrote:evil euroland

User avatar
magma
Posts: 18810
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 9:27 am
Location: Parts Unknown

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by magma » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:48 pm

What about fishing and picture hanging?
Meus equus tuo altior est

"Let me eat when I'm hungry, let me drink when I'm dry.
Give me dollars when I'm hard up, religion when I die."
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.

User avatar
hubb
Posts: 8823
Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:24 pm
Location: ÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅ

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by hubb » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:58 pm

stab or impale fish

tape
OGLemon wrote:cowabunga dude

https://soundcloud.com/qloo/cowabunga-music-of-moby
fragments wrote:SWEEEEEEEEE!

https://soundcloud.com/qloo/cowabunga-t ... o-sweeeeee
Johnlenham wrote:evil euroland

User avatar
magma
Posts: 18810
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 9:27 am
Location: Parts Unknown

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by magma » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:01 pm

Skinnyman was way ahead of you.

Meus equus tuo altior est

"Let me eat when I'm hungry, let me drink when I'm dry.
Give me dollars when I'm hard up, religion when I die."
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.

User avatar
TheIntrospectionist
Posts: 673
Joined: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:38 pm
Location: Birmingham, UK
Contact:

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by TheIntrospectionist » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:05 pm

At the moment I feel strongly about echoing the sentiments of Kate Mill's response which I labelled as one of my favorites in the original post (Only "scientists" can do science) and expanding on it a bit more to focus the understanding of science. In particular, I take issue with the tendency to keep a lot of current scientific knowledge within circles of privileged academics with doctorates who tend to use overly complicated technical language to obscure ideas that would otherwise be easily accessible to anyone. I've read some brilliant books over the past year by authors in various fields who have done an amazing job at taking some of the most complex ideas in their areas of expertise and making them so easily understandable, using wonderful analogies and clearly laying out the reasoning behind arguments presented so that anyone reading can understand, think critically about them or even carry the logic further. However, the amount of literature I've read while doing work for uni which is just completely concealed by over-the-top vocabulary is ridiculous and screams out "bow before my intellect you peasant!" And I've noticed what seems to be a trend where people who tend to do this appear to be more likely to be the first to complain and label the general public as 'ignorant' and 'stupid' when public understanding falls so far behind current advancements in our knowledge about the universe. Science really excites me and I enjoy sharing that excitement so I'm easily annoyed by those who contribute nothing to public understanding of science while appearing to go out of their way (for all I know, they may not even do it consciously) to restrict knowledge in such an unnecessary way in order to be...well, euphoric stnuc :lol:. I can really understand how people are put off by this and wind up completely disinterested.

Another one is the idea that humans are superior to all other species on the planet. I think this may partly stem from the idea that many people still seem to have that natural selection works in a linear way working consciously with a specific ultimate objective in mind as to the perfect organism where we are the closest things to perfection while all other species alive today are less developed/less advanced rungs on the ladder below us. I don't think that's really an issue within academic discourse anymore but I still see it as very common among the general public. I am particularly bothered when the attitude of human superiority reaches the point where any notion of us being related to other species causes disgust and even despair in people (for example, the idea that there can be no purpose to life if you share dna with other species) and, in the extreme, I doubt that letting this go unchallenged helps much when it comes to animal abuse and trying to combat the attitude that other animals are mindless creatures here for us to do with as we please.
[+] Spoiler
The above text was just a misdirection to hide the fact that I saved the serial kitten rapist at the expense of the child wonder :twisted:
m8son wrote:
Pedro Sánchez wrote:Being gay is a lifestyle choice.
its a selfish one at that, with all the bad weather it causes
:lol: :lol:
Riddles wrote:
m8son wrote:the idea that i want to retire is the idea that stupid fucking ignorant hippies have any idea what they are talking about when it comes to certain things like fracking/GMO crops/nuclear power etc...
this x 100000.

I don't give a fuck about your hippie opinion if you think GM crops are bad, nuclear power is so dangerous, and vaccines cause illnesses. Go fuck off and live on an island where i never have to see you, you can grow your own food from your own excrement fertilizer, peddle a bike for power to post stupid fucking pictures on instagram and die of dysentery because you don't understand clean water because you're afraid of chlorine.
The GM crops thing gets to me in particular. Especially as the number one objection to GM foods when the question was put to the public was "it has genes in it". :o

NilsFG
Posts: 7387
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:46 pm
Location: somewhere around brussels

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by NilsFG » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:15 pm

Homeopathy

Edit: the war on drugs is also a strong candidate for retirement imo

User avatar
magma
Posts: 18810
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 9:27 am
Location: Parts Unknown

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by magma » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:22 pm

TheIntrospectionist wrote:The GM crops thing gets to me in particular. Especially as the number one objection to GM foods when the question was put to the public was "it has genes in it". :o
:lol: :lol:

My Dad gets pissed off whenever "Organic" comes up on conversation. He's got a point though... is there a vegetable or animal in history that wasn't organic? Fucking hippies.
Meus equus tuo altior est

"Let me eat when I'm hungry, let me drink when I'm dry.
Give me dollars when I'm hard up, religion when I die."
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.

User avatar
hubb
Posts: 8823
Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:24 pm
Location: ÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅ

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by hubb » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:24 pm

Ahhhh ....

Chinese faux eggs and square quartermelons are not on
OGLemon wrote:cowabunga dude

https://soundcloud.com/qloo/cowabunga-music-of-moby
fragments wrote:SWEEEEEEEEE!

https://soundcloud.com/qloo/cowabunga-t ... o-sweeeeee
Johnlenham wrote:evil euroland

User avatar
Jizz
Posts: 3470
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:43 pm
Location: London

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by Jizz » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:26 pm

magma wrote:
TheIntrospectionist wrote:The GM crops thing gets to me in particular. Especially as the number one objection to GM foods when the question was put to the public was "it has genes in it". :o
:lol: :lol:

My Dad gets pissed off whenever "Organic" comes up on conversation. He's got a point though... is there a vegetable or animal in history that wasn't organic? Fucking hippies.
there is a difference between organic and Organic

NilsFG
Posts: 7387
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:46 pm
Location: somewhere around brussels

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by NilsFG » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:29 pm

JizzMan wrote:
magma wrote:
TheIntrospectionist wrote:The GM crops thing gets to me in particular. Especially as the number one objection to GM foods when the question was put to the public was "it has genes in it". :o
:lol: :lol:

My Dad gets pissed off whenever "Organic" comes up on conversation. He's got a point though... is there a vegetable or animal in history that wasn't organic? Fucking hippies.
there is a difference between organic and Organic
organic is what you eat to survive, Organic is what you eat to feel better about yourself.

User avatar
magma
Posts: 18810
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 9:27 am
Location: Parts Unknown

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by magma » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:31 pm

JizzMan wrote:
magma wrote:
TheIntrospectionist wrote:The GM crops thing gets to me in particular. Especially as the number one objection to GM foods when the question was put to the public was "it has genes in it". :o
:lol: :lol:

My Dad gets pissed off whenever "Organic" comes up on conversation. He's got a point though... is there a vegetable or animal in history that wasn't organic? Fucking hippies.
there is a difference between organic and Organic
Indeed, made sure to double-check my capitalisation before posting... I know what these Ninjas is like. :lol:
Meus equus tuo altior est

"Let me eat when I'm hungry, let me drink when I'm dry.
Give me dollars when I'm hard up, religion when I die."
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.

Riddles
Posts: 4819
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:44 am
Location: Brighton

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by Riddles » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:39 pm

tbh my dad makes loads of chemical fertilizers so i'm definitely biased, but im still right.
Image
soronery wrote:Too easy to sit behind a keyboard with a playlist of dubstep tunes on, arguing about the defintion of a word in relation to a sound.
All that melts away when the lights are down and the bass is up.

User avatar
magma
Posts: 18810
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 9:27 am
Location: Parts Unknown

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by magma » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:46 pm

Riddles wrote:tbh my dad makes loads of chemical fertilizers so i'm definitely biased, but im still right.
"Fertlizer" and "Plant Food" is it?

Does he do any bath salts? :6:
Meus equus tuo altior est

"Let me eat when I'm hungry, let me drink when I'm dry.
Give me dollars when I'm hard up, religion when I die."
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.

User avatar
Perfecture
Posts: 310
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:48 pm

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by Perfecture » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:46 pm

Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.

Riddles
Posts: 4819
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:44 am
Location: Brighton

Re: Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

Post by Riddles » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:56 pm

magma wrote:
Riddles wrote:tbh my dad makes loads of chemical fertilizers so i'm definitely biased, but im still right.
"Fertlizer" and "Plant Food" is it?

Does he do any bath salts? :6:
hahaha, nope. Used to make cleaners, washing up liquid etc but stopped cos its not worth the time to not be making fertilizer.
Image
soronery wrote:Too easy to sit behind a keyboard with a playlist of dubstep tunes on, arguing about the defintion of a word in relation to a sound.
All that melts away when the lights are down and the bass is up.

Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests