Ferguson riots

[nowaysj]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08 ... -ferguson/

I take it back, Kiev 2.0

[bennyfroobs]

I don't see why the corporate media would want people to be outraged about Michael Brown specifically over that Gaynier dude.

To further divide blacks and whites, especially among the working class. As long as labour in the U.S. remains divided, the capitalist will continue to rake in more and more profits. The State knows this and in order to protect their self-interest they must subvert the self-interest of the exploited. Mind Control 101.

^ this essnetially

*oh black people are protesting better get the police over there and fire a load of tear gas at them and then say theyre being violent and looting*

[nowaysj]

Dude, they are looting, and creating the justification for the militarization. It is too easy.

[sixs]

violent black looter apprehended guys

[nowaysj]

Taze that bitch! "STOP RESISTING!"

[nowaysj]

How do we want him?

DEAD!

[bennyfroobs]

yeah its a real shame the police operate above the law their supposed to uphold isnt it

[nowaysj]

It is more than a shame when that is the case, in this case, it likely was a legally justified shooting.

[DrGatineau]

you don't really believe the "Josie" story do you? i think it's hilarious that an anonymous non-eyewitness has completely changed the conversation now.

it feels like everyone was just thinking the whole time "we know all these black eye-witnesses are just making it up so they can kill whitey, just wait for the real story to come out"

[bennyfroobs]

It is more than a shame when that is the case, in this case, it likely was a legally justified shooting.

llol and this is why america is so royally fucked up

because u guys seem to think there such thing as justified shooting of an unarmed person

[nowaysj]

Well, there are different groups of people with varying dispositions who are ready to believe their version.

Was that a real caller? I didn't listen. I read the summary of what they said, and from what I've put together that is very similar to what I put together from what I've read from various sources.

Do I discount the local black "witnesses?" To an extent, the one's that are pretty apparently making shit up, like Dorian Johnson, MB's accomplice.

Do I believe the guy in that vid that benny posted that said he saw the whole thing, described the events and said that after the attack MB ran away but turned and ran at the officer, probably yeah, as that is supported by other sources, the officer, and by the preliminary medical exam.

It appears that many people in that community are totally frustrated by the police, and are ready and willing to do anything to implicate the police in any kind of wrong doing.

Trayvon did not go as they wanted.

I think they have a much better chance with this one. This is no different than 9/11 and wamo-bamo the patriot act is passed, magically waiting in the wings to address the exact "threat" we just faced. Much of the legal groundwork for the militarized response has already been set, though. Boston was the first roll out. It worked. People accepted it. They accepted the term "Shelter in Place", they accepted mass warrantless searches of homes, in direct contravention of the Constitution. They accepted armored personnel carriers rolling down neighborhood streets searching for a teenager.

[nowaysj]

because u guys seem to think there such thing as justified shooting of an unarmed person

Benny, I could kill you in seconds with my bare hands. Get real.

[bennyfroobs]

ur beard could kill me in 2 seconds

but thats not the point

[dickman69]

the thing im taking away from this whole thing is not that a racist white cop just killed some black dude in the hood, because that obviously didnt happen

if he tried to take his gun & then charged at him, after the cop warned he would shoot him there is no way you can say the cop "murdered" him

the thing to take away is how ridiculously the police handled the protesting & immediately attacked people/reporters

also how easy it is to spin the news

[DrGatineau]

Was that a real caller? I didn't listen. I read the summary of what they said, and from what I've put together that is very similar to what I put together from what I've read from various sources.

What do you mean a "real life caller?" She called into like a radio show I think, and then the tape was aired on CNN. Imo, it seems like the police are constructing their story after the facts come out so that it will not contradict the facts, which is why it seems completely phony to me. They should have been forced to go on the record about their story the day it happened.

For example, the autopsy showed that MB was shot in the top of the head, indicating that he either had his hands up and his head down, surrendering, or that he was "charging" at the police officer as if he was about to tackle him like a strong safety.

Second, the autopsy showed that he had traces of marijuana in his system. It's obviously completely ridiculous that Michael Brown would first run away from the cop, turn back, see the cop pointing his gun at him, and for no reason, suddenly decide to charge towards the cop like an animal. This would make no sense as charging towards a cop who is pointing his gun at you means almost certain death. It's basically a form of suicide. The only way to patch up this flaw in the story is to play up the marijuana thing, claiming he was "out of his mind".

Fox News helped out with this talking point: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/autopsy-doct ... act-crazy/



You should really listen to the CNN phone call from the link I posted. It's the officer's story.

Also, I think your point about Trayvon is huge. If this turns out to be another fluke, it's going to be devastating for the black community. The protests right now are a manifestation of the collective frustration the black community currently has with the police, political system, etc. If MB wasn't an unjustified killing, there are probably dozens of other examples of wrongdoings by the cops that each protester could point to. That's why they're protesting. And I don't blame them at all. They need a fucking win for once.

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/12/in_defe ... can_dream/

[nowaysj]

@ benny (don't I recall you having a deadly beard?)


How is that not the point, though? That is exactly the point. I know our countries are different... here we have a fundamental right to protect ourselves, that includes police officers (and from police officers - there have been a number of unsuccessful prosecutions of people who fired on and killed police officers who were acting inappropriately).

I cannot even rationalize the notion that you are supposed to just allow the attack, and accept your death. I think you anglos have all been trained to be executed. If you don't want to get shot here, don't attack someone, including and especially the police. That is something that you as an individual have power over and personal responsibility for.

You lose that power when you are high/drunk, and that is one of the dangers of drugs and alcohol, especially when mixed with teenage hormones, totally negligent parentage, and a popular culture focused on death and destruction. That is also why the toxicology report will be important. The presence of pcp would explain a lot.

I used a hand gun in self defense against a dude that looked and acted quite a bit like MB, a dude that was either psychotic or on pcp. There was no way I was going to let that dude cut me and my wife up. No way. I'm thankful for that encounter, because it totally snapped me out of my liberal delusions and brought me to terms with the reality that in this world it is kill or be killed. You can choose to be killed. I choose to kill. I will meet deadly force with deadly force. I've now trained to meet deadly force with deadly force - spending your time and energy on such things is regrettable, but it is the way it is.

You guys who support Michael Brown and condemn that police officer, I just don't think you are dealing with reality. I think you're projecting your desire for how you want the world to be. I definitely want the world to be peaceful. There are so many interesting things happening, spending our time and energy on defense sucks. But get real, I'm confident that most of you would have fired on Michael Brown if you were in his circumstance. If you deny that, in my opinion, you are denying the truth. Denying the truth is almost always dangerous.

[Phigure]

the thing im taking away from this whole thing is not that a racist white cop just killed some black dude in the hood, because that obviously didnt happen

if he tried to take his gun & then charged at him, after the cop warned he would shoot him there is no way you can say the cop "murdered" him

uh no

the autopsy report says he has entry wounds in the front of his arms and a shot from the top of his head that exited his neck, which the medical examiner says is indicative of him kneeling on the ground with his arms up (exactly as the eyewitnesses describe)

what reason would he have to try to take the cop's gun and charge him? hardly anyone is that dumb

not to mention that the cops' story has changed on a few occasions already, like when they suddenly said a few days ago that he was a suspect in a robbery that just occurred (almost literally on the other side of the city), and then later admit that they actually didnt stop michael brown as a robbery suspect

[dickman69]

well from what i heard every witness says mike brown fought the cop in his car window (& heard he fought over his gun)

[Phigure]

this one among others

EVEN IF he was fighting with him in the window of his car, there's absolutely no excuse to shoot him when he retreats and then raises his arms

[DrGatineau]

I used a hand gun in self defense against a dude that looked and acted quite a bit like MB, a dude that was either psychotic or on pcp.

Not quite sure what you're getting at here, as MB wasn't known to be psychotic, was not psychotic earlier that day, and the toxicology report showed him to have traces of marijuana - no PCP. So I have no idea what you're point is here.

You guys who support Michael Brown and condemn that police officer, I just don't think you are dealing with reality. I think you're projecting your desire for how you want the world to be. I definitely want the world to be peaceful. There are so many interesting things happening, spending our time and energy on defense sucks. But get real, I'm confident that most of you would have fired on Michael Brown if you were in his circumstance. If you deny that, in my opinion, you are denying the truth. Denying the truth is almost always dangerous.

I agree with you that if MB, who is probably physically larger than the cop, was truly charging at him with the perceived intent to kill the cop, then the cop had the right to shoot. Although, 6-8 shots is very excessive. If MB was 35 feet away from the car, the cop could have at least tried to shoot him in the legs before going to his upper body, but I suppose you can't prosecute somebody for doing their job poorly.

However, you're entire argument presupposes that MB was indeed charging towards the cop, and I believe that's a fabrication by the police department and conservative media, but we will see. If MB was not charging towards the cop, then your argument is irrelevant.