PRESSING ISSUES: Logo Competition - VOTE INSIDE!!

ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:08 pm

andythetwig wrote:
metalboxproducts wrote:
genfu wrote:Although most of these are executed extremely well, and i'm not trying to be overly critical to anyone who put the effort in to design these, my personal opinion is that making the P.I. into a little shapey thing is abit cliched. I just think if you put a p.i. shapey logo thing on there it's gonna look like every other mainstream house and drum and bass release. Something more grungey and lo-fi would be much cooler. 31 comes closest to this in my opinion, but i'm not sure the framing would work quite right on a round shaped label, because the dial is round itself.
I agree with this intirely. Even though the selection is all good, you have to put it in context with other labels. There does seem to be an inclination to go for the most generic (with all due respect to the artisth) design. For what it's worth i think 20 stands out as the most memerable and will stand the test of time. It will also look good next to other records.
Tim
I'm biased here, but actually as a designer myself I find the most generic designs are usually the easiest to work with- as they are the most versatile.

The logo should be as neutral as possible so that it doesn't interfere with future design decisions- it's just a seed, that hopefully will germinate and bloom into a full brand identity that has been constructed by several designers.

But actually in the end it doesn't matter, since even the worst logos are made credible by brand associations completely out of the control of the designer. in this case, the quality and popularity of the records is going to really be the thing which decides whther the logo is memorable or not.

I love that this is turning into a design theory discussion!

I agree with andy to a degree - a company's offerings can outweigh the brand in certain circumstances. Take MySpace as a perfect example. The logo and the whole site for that matter is shite but they won over Friendster and others because they delivered a product that the public deemed better (in terms of the criteria of a social network)

I do think however that the MySpace "brand" is not it's logo as much as it is the name and concept. I bet many people don't even know that the logo is a bunch of Neurathian looking stick figures.

Also, as companies increase in size and exposure, there does seem to be a point of "corporate critical mass" where brands will be reassessed and proper cognitive psychological, semiotic and ideological processes applied. Most of the strongest brands in the world don't even have "logos" per say bbut logotypes.

One of my professors always used to say - if the brand you create cannot express your intention, tone and place through typography alone then it's a shit example. Logos are candy - typography is essence. (or something like that)

Ok, now Back to voting!

edit: Page 5 needs a link!

http://www.pressing-issues.com/logos/logos.html

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:20 am

andythetwig wrote:
metalboxproducts wrote:
genfu wrote:Although most of these are executed extremely well, and i'm not trying to be overly critical to anyone who put the effort in to design these, my personal opinion is that making the P.I. into a little shapey thing is abit cliched. I just think if you put a p.i. shapey logo thing on there it's gonna look like every other mainstream house and drum and bass release. Something more grungey and lo-fi would be much cooler. 31 comes closest to this in my opinion, but i'm not sure the framing would work quite right on a round shaped label, because the dial is round itself.
I agree with this intirely. Even though the selection is all good, you have to put it in context with other labels. There does seem to be an inclination to go for the most generic (with all due respect to the artisth) design. For what it's worth i think 20 stands out as the most memerable and will stand the test of time. It will also look good next to other records.
Tim
I'm biased here, but actually as a designer myself I find the most generic designs are usually the easiest to work with- as they are the most versatile.

The logo should be as neutral as possible so that it doesn't interfere with future design decisions- it's just a seed, that hopefully will germinate and bloom into a full brand identity that has been constructed by several designers.

But actually in the end it doesn't matter, since even the worst logos are made credible by brand associations completely out of the control of the designer. in this case, the quality and popularity of the records is going to really be the thing which decides whther the logo is memorable or not.

We know the quality of music is very good .Oh fuck it. I was going to say somethinng constructive. I can no longer be assed. You my friend sound like a marketing manager.
Shall we consider Blue Note. Check thier covers or maybe Factory Records.
Sorry if this sounds shitty, I'm fucking pissed. Sorry
Tim

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:29 am

ozeb wrote:
andythetwig wrote:
metalboxproducts wrote:
genfu wrote:Although most of these are executed extremely well, and i'm not trying to be overly critical to anyone who put the effort in to design these, my personal opinion is that making the P.I. into a little shapey thing is abit cliched. I just think if you put a p.i. shapey logo thing on there it's gonna look like every other mainstream house and drum and bass release. Something more grungey and lo-fi would be much cooler. 31 comes closest to this in my opinion, but i'm not sure the framing would work quite right on a round shaped label, because the dial is round itself.
I agree with this intirely. Even though the selection is all good, you have to put it in context with other labels. There does seem to be an inclination to go for the most generic (with all due respect to the artisth) design. For what it's worth i think 20 stands out as the most memerable and will stand the test of time. It will also look good next to other records.
Tim
I'm biased here, but actually as a designer myself I find the most generic designs are usually the easiest to work with- as they are the most versatile.

The logo should be as neutral as possible so that it doesn't interfere with future design decisions- it's just a seed, that hopefully will germinate and bloom into a full brand identity that has been constructed by several designers.

But actually in the end it doesn't matter, since even the worst logos are made credible by brand associations completely out of the control of the designer. in this case, the quality and popularity of the records is going to really be the thing which decides whther the logo is memorable or not.
I love that this is turning into a design theory discussion!

I agree with andy to a degree - a company's offerings can outweigh the brand in certain circumstances. Take MySpace as a perfect example. The logo and the whole site for that matter is shite but they won over Friendster and others because they delivered a product that the public deemed better (in terms of the criteria of a social network)

I do think however that the MySpace "brand" is not it's logo as much as it is the name and concept. I bet many people don't even know that the logo is a bunch of Neurathian looking stick figures.

Also, as companies increase in size and exposure, there does seem to be a point of "corporate critical mass" where brands will be reassessed and proper cognitive psychological, semiotic and ideological processes applied. Most of the strongest brands in the world don't even have "logos" per say bbut logotypes.

One of my professors always used to say - if the brand you create cannot express your intention, tone and place through typography alone then it's a shit example. Logos are candy - typography is essence. (or something like that)

Ok, now Back to voting!

edit: Page 5 needs a link!

http://www.pressing-issues.com/logos/logos.html

So why then are we having this compatition? Put the records out in plain paper sleevs.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:32 am

Sorry. Big up my selecter or something.

ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:02 am

metalboxproducts wrote:Sorry. Big up my selecter or something.

Dude, you ok?

ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:06 am

PS. MBP I think you missed my point entirely. Typography as a brand being a WORDtype vs a LOGOtype - it's still a "logo" he was just biased towards type. I came from a very strict swiss modern ulm school design program. Not a lot of flash but excellent theory and visual language skill.

hate recordings · Post by **hate recordings** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:17 am

you know, seventeen was the shit

but number one... took me a long time to "figure" it out. the record and the platter. i think i wouldve voted for number one in hindsight. im so retarded, just didnt get it.

the lexxus · Post by **the lexxus** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:50 am

So many dope submissions sheesh!!!

My top 5 were:
1) 21
2) 18
3) 2
4) 12
5) 1

Big ups to all the artists involved!

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:13 am

ozeb wrote:
metalboxproducts wrote:Sorry. Big up my selecter or something.
Dude, you ok?

Er sorry. That'll teach me to get in over my head. I was drunk and as usuel, talking confuntational crap. Sorry.
I have a lovely hangover
Tim

ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:46 pm

metalboxproducts wrote:
ozeb wrote:
metalboxproducts wrote:Sorry. Big up my selecter or something.
Dude, you ok?

Er sorry. That'll teach me to get in over my head. I was drunk and as usuel, talking confuntational crap. Sorry.
I have a lovely hangover
Tim

No worries - you are normally quite sentient so I got a little concerned

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:17 pm

ozeb wrote:
metalboxproducts wrote:
ozeb wrote:
metalboxproducts wrote:Sorry. Big up my selecter or something.
Dude, you ok?

Er sorry. That'll teach me to get in over my head. I was drunk and as usuel, talking confuntational crap. Sorry.
I have a lovely hangover
Tim
No worries - you are normally quite sentient so I got a little concerned

Gonna have to use more of these

ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:20 am

*cough*

pardon me!

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:40 pm

bump

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:42 pm

23 im warming to its innavative!

pangaea · Post by **pangaea** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:35 pm

genfu wrote:Although most of these are executed extremely well, and i'm not trying to be overly critical to anyone who put the effort in to design these, my personal opinion is that making the P.I. into a little shapey thing is abit cliched. I just think if you put a p.i. shapey logo thing on there it's gonna look like every other mainstream house and drum and bass release. Something more grungey and lo-fi would be much cooler. 31 comes closest to this in my opinion, but i'm not sure the framing would work quite right on a round shaped label, because the dial is round itself.

Yeah, I agree with all of this I'm afraid. In fact, I'd go as far as to say the releases should just come in a plain black sleeve, with the white record label stamped with the artist, title and 'Pressing Issues'...I'm thinking of the DMZ Soul Jazz whites in particular. I just think that orginal label ethos of getting out the releases that wouldn't otherwise see the light of day should be reflected in basic, minimal artwork. In fact, maybe Pressing Issues shouldn't have a logo at all...

It's a great name for a co-op label, I reckon a design concept wouldn't suit it. Too extreme?

That's just my opinion though!

Big up the designers and all involved with the project.

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:59 am

^^it's not all about sleeves is it? what about the website, flyers etc, plain black too?

r53 · Post by **r53** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:55 am

12 or 15

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:46 pm

i dont like the design on 28 but the pi idea could be worth pursuing

ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:55 pm

page 6 needs a link

http://www.pressing-issues.com/logos/logos.html

misskatiemo · Post by **misskatiemo** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:12 am

l;ooks like the forum thinks along the lines i do! great designs!

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