How to stop Djs from playing illegal Mp3s in the club ?

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Post by ory » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:45 pm

Sio2 wrote:the stuff these guys are playing aint 320 & when you turnit up it sounds all fuzzy and then when the next guy plays and puts real vinyl record on, the clarity and DEEPness is so much better.

I find vinyl has been mastered differently than an Mp3 also. Often times the track is mastered by the artsist, the label & the manufacturer so when the vinyl actually gets into my hands and on the sound system turned up... the sound is always better rather than from a suspect Mp3 from a suspect Dj.
I think you've misunderstood some things.

There are essentially two types of illegal mp3s.

1. Vinyl rips, done by people who own the vinyl and then uploaded to the internet. These can be any bitrate, but they're most likely to be encoded with the LAME encoder V2 or APS setting, which lands them at around 192kbps average. The mastering is the same as the source vinyl.

2. Webrips, usually 320kbps. These are first bought from legit download stores, then spread throughout p2p networks. These sound identical to the original file.

Basically you're throwing so many thoughts out there, it's kind of hard to understand what you're even saying here. :?

EDIT: I had this thread open from earlier then posted this, just now noticed it's grown to 5 pages, so sorry if someone's already pointed this out.

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Post by ikonika » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:05 pm

wouldn't it be really funny if someone started playing illegal tunes (ripped from myspace or leaked) in front of the producer that made it.

what would u do?

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Post by ed teach » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:14 pm

Good point m'lady.

I think that actually happened to Skream when he went to a party and some guy was playing something he hadn't even released yet! When he confronted him he didn't even recognize him - pure waste. At least with a vinyl you could whip it off the wheel and smash it over the head of the offender, but chucking the laptop and serato-module across the room it way to much hassle.

If you like it, pay for it - else it might all just disappear and wouldn't that be a shame. (sorry to sound like everyones Dad)
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Post by ck trust » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:27 pm

human? wrote:
the only guarantee that a all vinyl DJ brings is that they are 3 - 8 months behind ;)

lol...
sorry to hijack the thread, but...

lol... whatever... good music is good music mate. isn't it??? if everybody is going to start thinking this way... dubstep would be fucked in 3- 8 ;) month... tes la rok told me that dublates are the only way to play this music, when i booked him november last year...

i was like, yeah man whatever!!! if nobody buys records anymore because they're too old u loose good money... come on... this seems stupid to me.

i spend a fortune on new tunage every month and cut dubplates too... but it slowly starts to get on me nerves properly. it feels stupid, there's so much good dubstep out there and i start thinking about if the tune is too old to play out, even if its only a year old... i miss the old garage days where you could play tunes for years and the recations on the floor just got better...

whats wrong with 8 month old tunes, mate????

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Post by little boh peep » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:29 pm

ikonika wrote:wouldn't it be really funny if someone started playing illegal tunes (ripped from myspace or leaked) in front of the producer that made it.

what would u do?
Public humiliation would be in order.

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Post by human? » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:41 pm

CK Trust wrote:
human? wrote:
the only guarantee that a all vinyl DJ brings is that they are 3 - 8 months behind ;)

lol...
sorry to hijack the thread, but...

lol... whatever... good music is good music mate. isn't it??? if everybody is going to start thinking this way... dubstep would be fucked in 3- 8 ;) month... tes la rok told me that dublates are the only way to play this music, when i booked him november last year...

i was like, yeah man whatever!!! if nobody buys records anymore because they're too old u loose good money... come on... this seems stupid to me.

i spend a fortune on new tunage every month and cut dubplates too... but it slowly starts to get on me nerves properly. it feels stupid, there's so much good dubstep out there and i start thinking about if the tune is too old to play out, even if its only a year old... i miss the old garage days where you could play tunes for years and the recations on the floor just got better...

whats wrong with 8 month old tunes, mate????

nothin wrong with 8 month old tunes :D (shiet, i still bang my 93 jungles on the regular.. lol.. ill go everywhere time period wise all the time, been playin alot of funk & soul breaks even nowadays.... in my dubstep & jungle sets lol)

if anything i was bustin dubstepsfeverishdubplateculture's chops...



fun thing about serato actually for me, is i can roll to a spot with unreleased biz, brand new releases, recent bangers, and old school classics & rarities, of ALL genres.... at the same time :)




dont feel any way about playin older tunes... its all about selection!! tbh, alot of the time i play dubstep its NOT for a dubstep crowd, i do alot of cross genre polluting whenever possible, and for that i usually pull out the recent classics...

in new york.. and the US in general, dubstep parties are so few and far between, AND so all about the new new new that there has hardly been time imho to develop real classics... to the point where even people who are NOW into dubstep havent even heard the 2006 bangers in a club, cause unless you were at dubwar when the jointz were dubs, aint nobody play them...


so word, yeh i feel you the :wink: and the lol were the :wink: and the lol :)

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Post by (zero) eye-ten » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:47 pm

ahhh, the darkside of dubplate culture

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Post by frodo » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:52 pm

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:Besides a lot of the top labels don't even sell mp3s in which case they obviously don't even care about filesharing.
That's a really really really stupid assumption.
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Post by dubnerd » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:58 pm

piracy: it's good for music.

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Post by sio2 » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:03 pm

Ory wrote: I think you've misunderstood some things.
There are essentially two types of illegal mp3s.
1. Vinyl rips, done by people who own the vinyl and then uploaded to the internet. These can be any bitrate, but they're most likely to be encoded with the LAME encoder V2 or APS setting, which lands them at around 192kbps average. The mastering is the same as the source vinyl.
2. Webrips, usually 320kbps. These are first bought from legit download stores, then spread throughout p2p networks. These sound identical to the original file. Basically you're throwing so many thoughts out there, it's kind of hard to understand what you're even saying here. :?
Yeah, I probably have misunderstood somethings. No doubt.

Thanks everyone for the input. Hopefully people on the edge will think twice before they bring that stolen Mp3 crap to the club. These djs must realize it hurts them, the club, the scene, the artists and everyone else involved.
DubNerd wrote:piracy: it's good for music.
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Post by human? » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:04 pm

DubNerd wrote:piracy: it's good for music.
only when it goes full circle and good music receives support.

emerging from the collapse of the old model appears to be a way more fair system that seems to be generating better music..

im so not mad at music right now lol, and love buying dope shit

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Post by dubnerd » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:39 pm

listening IS the support.

kid downloads 'stolen' mp3
kid shares and plays 'stolen' mp3
kid gets others interested in 'stolen' mp3
kid shares more information about 'stolen' mp3
kid gets 20-30 others sharing 'stolen' mp3
------------------------------------
artist notices more people at shows
artist is booked more to play shows
artist notices increase in vinyl sales
artist gains more label interest
artist punches kid in nose

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Post by human? » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:47 pm

DubNerd wrote:listening IS the support.

kid downloads 'stolen' mp3
kid shares and plays 'stolen' mp3
kid gets others interested in 'stolen' mp3
kid shares more information about 'stolen' mp3
kid gets 20-30 others sharing 'stolen' mp3
------------------------------------
artist notices more people at shows
artist is booked more to play shows
artist notices increase in vinyl sales
artist gains more label interest
artist punches kid in nose

listening IS A support..

more people at shows & increased sales are not the same type of metaphysical support as listening.

there is a balance.

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Post by sio2 » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:15 pm

U left out a few steps :
DubNerd wrote:listening IS the support.

kid downloads 'stolen' mp3
kid shares and plays 'stolen' mp3
kid takes mp3 repeatedly to club and Djs for paid gigs
kid downloads more mp3s plays at more parties and gets paid more $

kid gets others interested in 'stolen' mp3
kid shares more information about 'stolen' mp3
kid gets 20-30 others sharing 'stolen' mp3
------------------------------------

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Post by neka » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:34 pm

im not condoning it but was just wondering what if they played their sets for free?

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Post by hd4000 » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:03 am

Sio2 wrote:
hd4000 wrote:ok i need to chime in here,few things:
1.i have dj'd for 19 years.
2.managed a record shop in l.a. for 5
3.own serato
4.DO NOT illegally download any of the tracks i play
5.play all wav files so they do sound "clean"
6.if i buy a record i rip it to wav.
7.id rather buy a song of the net than buy the record.
why?because the dubstep records i want are all sold in the uk.so i pay almost double the price(due to the conversion rate)and i have to wait two weeks for the song to get here.where as with a wav. file its 3 bucks,and i have it as soon as i buy it.

just something to think about. :D
There are many differences between you and the peeps I am talking about.

You just spelled it out for the whole world to see. If you are lieing your reputation will be ruined. You are standing up and telling it how it is. These guys hide everything and don't spell anything out. You are an experienced Dj, you work in the music industry plus you are conscious about playing wavefiles in a legit and transparent way. Nothing wrong with that. Keep up the good work. when new kids on the block meet you and see what you do, hopefully they'll try to do the same.

cool man i feel ya.i just wanted to let ya know not all serato users are evil.
:wink:

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Post by bob crunkhouse » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:22 am

Frodo wrote:
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:Besides a lot of the top labels don't even sell mp3s in which case they obviously don't even care about filesharing.
That's a really really really stupid assumption.
Is it?

if they (the labels) are not even providing mp3 stores then in my mind they simply don't care. i mean if they did they would provide a legal way to purchase mp3's for non vinyl buyers (which make up a huge percentage of dubstep/music fans). Me and a a friend run the small Square Records label so i have small bit of experience here, we've been pleasantly surprised with mp3 sales, added a fair bit back to breaking even on the back-breaking costs of providing a 500 run of vinyl.

I don't think twice about illegally downloading a release when the label haven't provided an mp3 store as i don't buy vinyl. It's been getting better recently though so not much point complaining really.
Piston wrote:o ffs
Exactly.
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Post by bob crunkhouse » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:27 am

DubNerd wrote:piracy: it's good for music.
DubNerd wrote:listening IS the support.

kid downloads 'stolen' mp3
kid shares and plays 'stolen' mp3
kid gets others interested in 'stolen' mp3
kid shares more information about 'stolen' mp3
kid gets 20-30 others sharing 'stolen' mp3
------------------------------------
artist notices more people at shows
artist is booked more to play shows
artist notices increase in vinyl sales
artist gains more label interest
artist punches kid in nose
Hi Dubnerd, you speak sense on this subject, be prepared to be in a very small minority on here.

Filesharing has done a massive amount for dubstep and all sorts of underground music. This seems to be the only scene in which people can't understand that, strange really.
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Post by ck trust » Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:24 am

human? wrote:
CK Trust wrote:
human? wrote:
the only guarantee that a all vinyl DJ brings is that they are 3 - 8 months behind ;)

lol...
sorry to hijack the thread, but...

lol... whatever... good music is good music mate. isn't it??? if everybody is going to start thinking this way... dubstep would be fucked in 3- 8 ;) month... tes la rok told me that dublates are the only way to play this music, when i booked him november last year...

i was like, yeah man whatever!!! if nobody buys records anymore because they're too old u loose good money... come on... this seems stupid to me.

i spend a fortune on new tunage every month and cut dubplates too... but it slowly starts to get on me nerves properly. it feels stupid, there's so much good dubstep out there and i start thinking about if the tune is too old to play out, even if its only a year old... i miss the old garage days where you could play tunes for years and the recations on the floor just got better...

whats wrong with 8 month old tunes, mate????

nothin wrong with 8 month old tunes :D (shiet, i still bang my 93 jungles on the regular.. lol.. ill go everywhere time period wise all the time, been playin alot of funk & soul breaks even nowadays.... in my dubstep & jungle sets lol)

if anything i was bustin dubstepsfeverishdubplateculture's chops...



fun thing about serato actually for me, is i can roll to a spot with unreleased biz, brand new releases, recent bangers, and old school classics & rarities, of ALL genres.... at the same time :)




dont feel any way about playin older tunes... its all about selection!! tbh, alot of the time i play dubstep its NOT for a dubstep crowd, i do alot of cross genre polluting whenever possible, and for that i usually pull out the recent classics...

in new york.. and the US in general, dubstep parties are so few and far between, AND so all about the new new new that there has hardly been time imho to develop real classics... to the point where even people who are NOW into dubstep havent even heard the 2006 bangers in a club, cause unless you were at dubwar when the jointz were dubs, aint nobody play them...


so word, yeh i feel you the :wink: and the lol were the :wink: and the lol :)
bruv, all i can say is i'm feeling ya too & expected this kind of answer... blessup

3rd edit:
human? wrote: fun thing about serato actually for me, is i can roll to a spot with unreleased biz, brand new releases, recent bangers, and old school classics & rarities, of ALL genres.... at the same time :)
IF !!!! U GOT EVERYTHING FOM THE SOURCE ;) lol, peace. :D
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Post by ck trust » Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:27 am

DubNerd wrote:listening IS the support.

kid downloads 'stolen' mp3
kid shares and plays 'stolen' mp3
kid gets others interested in 'stolen' mp3
kid shares more information about 'stolen' mp3
kid gets 20-30 others sharing 'stolen' mp3
------------------------------------
artist notices more people at shows
artist is booked more to play shows
artist notices increase in vinyl sales
artist gains more label interest
artist punches kid in nose
bruvva, nobody talks about kids listening... this thread's about man's stealing it, ya no..!? :wink:

bigupz 2 the thread starter... healthy discussion anyways! :D

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