Why nothings gonna change because of obama

[alien pimp]

i dont vote.

then you cant pass comment

you can't pass comment because vote is what makes evil legit!

[ST100]

everyone STFU.....

[alien pimp]

here's my kind of argumentation:


there starts the change (press quotes and history data available for anyone, read by fewer ones, understood by...):


Timothy Geithner, newest member of obama's team:

“Since college, he has pretty much gone straight up the ladder,” Gary Weiss writes in Portfolio. “No detours, no backpacking around Europe, no internship fetching coffee.”

His informal group of advisers includes E. Gerald Corrigan, a managing director of Goldman Sachs and a former New York Fed president; Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr.; John Thain, the CEO of Merrill Lynch; Paul A. Volcker, the former Fed chairman; and Peter G. Peterson, the former U.S. secretary of commerce.

James “Jamie” L. Dimon, the CEO and chairman of J.P. Morgan Chase, is a Geithner ally and a member of the board of the New York Fed.

This connection has raised some eyebrows, for it meant that in solving the Bear Stearns mess Geithner approved a $29 billion loan to a company run by a member of his board.


Geithner served as the point man in the talks that led to the Federal Reserve’s loan of $29 billion to assist J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. in its buyout of the assets of Bear Sterns.

member of Council on Foreign Relations:

...The Americans who subsequently returned from the conference became drawn to a discreet club of New York financiers and international lawyers who had organized previously in June 1918 and was headed by Elihu Root, J. P. Morgan's lawyer;[16] this select group called itself the Council on Foreign Relations.[10] They joined this group and the Council was formally established in New York on July 29, 1921, with 108 founding members, including Elihu Root as a leading member, ... and John W. Davis, the chief counsel for J. P. Morgan & Co. and former Solicitor General for President Wilson,[16]

The Council initially had strong connections to the Morgan interests Over time, however, the locus of power shifted inexorably to the Rockefeller family. Paul Cravath's law firm also represented the Rockefeller family.[21] Edwin Gay suggested the creation of a quarterly journal, Foreign Affairs.

Even from its inception, John D. Rockefeller, Jr. was a regular benefactor, making annual contributions, as well as a large gift of money towards its first headquarters on East 65th Street, along with corporate donors .

Another major support base from the outset was the corporate sector; around 26 corporations provided financial assistance in the 1920s, seizing the opportunity to inject their business concerns into the weighty deliberations of the academics and scholars in the Council's ruling elite.

John J. McCloy became an influential figure in the organization after the Second World War, and he held connections to both the Morgans and Rockefellers. As assistant to Secretary of War (and J. P. Morgan attorney) Henry Stimson during World War II, he had presided over important American war policies; his brother-in-law John Zinsser was on the board of directors of JP Morgan & Co. Harry S. Truman appointed him President of the World Bank Group.
McCloy's brother-in-law, Lewis W. Douglas, also served on the board of the CFR and as a trustee for the Rockefeller Foundation; Truman appointed him as American ambassador to Great Britain.[16]


The John Birch Society believes that the CFR plans a one-world government.[38] Wilson's Fourteen Points speech was the first in which he suggested a worldwide security organization to prevent future world wars.[9]

Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.
—David Rockefeller, "Memoirs" autobiography (2002, Random House publishers), page 405


Notable historical members


* Zbigniew Brzezinski
* William P. Bundy
* George H. W. Bush
* Dick Cheney

* Alan Greenspan

* David Rockefeller
* Jay Rockefeller
* George Soros
* Strobe Talbott


Corporate Members

* ABC News
* Alcoa
* American Express
* AIG
* Bank of America
* Bloomberg L.P.
* Boeing
* BP
* CA, Inc.
* Chevron
* Citigroup
* Coca-Cola
* De Beers
* Deutsche Bank
* Duke Energy
* DVS Group
* ExxonMobil
* FedEx
* Ford Motor
* General Electric
* GlaxoSmithKline
* Google



* Halliburton
* Heinz
* Hess
* IBM
* JPMorgan Chase
* Kohlberg Kravis Roberts
* Lockheed Martin
* MasterCard
* McGraw-Hill
* McKinsey
* Merck
* Merrill Lynch
* Morgan Stanley
* Motorola
* NASDAQ
* News Corp
* Nike
* PepsiCo
* Pfizer



* Shell Oil
* Sony Corporation of America
* Tata Group
* Time Warner
* Total S.A.
* Toyota Motor North America
* UBS
* United Technologies
* United States Chamber of Commerce
* U.S. Trust Corporation
* Verizon
* Visa[32]

[earlier quotes by someone regarding the military plans of obama are also from CFR's publication:!: ]



also member of Partnership for NYC founded by Rockfeller


so whats changing? same people stealing our money!

people who can't read history call it conspiracy!

[alien pimp]

more neurostimulators for brain owners, READ before you open your mouth to swear!

International Herald Tribune
Rubin protégés change their tune as they join Obama's team
By Jackie Calmes
Published: November 24, 2008


WASHINGTON: It is testament to former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin's star power among many Democrats that as President-elect Barack Obama fills out his economic team, a virtual Rubin constellation is taking shape.

The president-elect's choices for his top economic advisers — Timothy Geithner as Treasury secretary, Lawrence Summers as senior White House economics adviser and Peter Orszag as budget director — are past protégés of Rubin, who held two of those jobs under President Bill Clinton. Even the headhunters for Obama have Rubin ties: Michael Froman, Rubin's chief of staff in the Treasury Department who followed him to Citigroup, and James Rubin, Rubin's son.

All three advisers — whom Obama will officially name on Monday and Tuesday — have been followers of the economic formula that came to be called Rubinomics: balanced budgets, free trade and financial deregulation, a combination that was credited with fueling the prosperity of the 1990s.

But times have changed since then. On Wall Street, Rubin is facing questions about his role as director of Citigroup given the bank's current woes. And in Washington, he and his acolytes are calling for a new formulation to address the global economic crisis that Obama will inherit — and rejecting or setting aside, for now, some of their old orthodoxies.

Instead of deregulation, Obama has sworn to usher in a period of re-regulation, to avoid the freewheeling risks that Citigroup and the rest of the financial industry undertook after Rubin, with Summers, helped tear down the regulatory walls between banks, brokerages and insurance companies, and freed them to trade in unregulated and little-understood derivatives worth trillions of dollars. Geithner spent his first years as president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York seeking ways to at least monitor those markets better.

Instead of balancing budgets, the Obama team will be going deeper into debt for at least two years by spending hundreds of billions of dollars more to stimulate the economy, without concern for deficits, for aid to the jobless, states and cities; tax cuts for workers; and job-creating construction of roads, schools and other public works. Nor, given the downturn, is Obama expected to try to quickly bring in more revenue by repealing the Bush tax cuts for those making more than $250,000.

Summers, who may well end up being Obama's closest economic adviser, has been especially public in calling for a big stimulus package. Many saw his touch in Obama's call this weekend for the stimulus plan to create or save 2.5 million jobs.

"Everyone recognizes that we're looking at deficits of considerable magnitude," said Jared Bernstein, an economist at the liberal Economic Policy Institute. "Whether it's Bob Rubin, Larry Summers or the most conservative economist, that is a widely shared recognition."

[the great void]

I feel really sorry for the poor oil companies and motor companies who are trying to get their message of Truth out but can't match up to the financial might that the Natural Environment Research Council have to peddle their Lies.

Jesus, of all conspiracy theories, the one that has Big Business saying we should prioritize environmental concerns over economic growth has to be the most obviously silly.

Oil companies artn really making any effort to deny the global warming is man made theories. The main pushers of man made global wamring ideas are the most powerfull people and insitutions on the planet, and most of the major oil companies are owned by these people. I think ull find that it is not the money they are making which keeps these people in power but rather the debt that other people owe them. They have more money than they could ever spend, what keeps u, me and the entire third world in their pocket is the debt we are in to them.

While they may lose a small amount of money through demonising co2 emmisions, its marginal. People will burn oil and petrol etc regardless, no ones gonna stop driving their car theyre just gonna have to pay high taxes for doing so. I think ull find it matters more to these people that they stay in power. If third world countries are alowed to become fully industrialised like the west is then they will lose their domination of world finance. How much money their oil companies make would be irrelevant if this were alowed to happen.

This line of thinking is irrelevant anyway. The fact that for huge periods of time the earth has been much warmer than it is now, wayyy before humans were burning off co2, and the fact that other planets in our solar system are warming up at a simillar rate to earth is the real eye opener. How does man made co2 on earth acount for global warming on the other planets in our solar system? What is heating up mars and jupiter and a whole host of other planets in our system? the sun. But of course, all their trends of global warming are the sun and the fact that earth is experiencing the same warming is obviously completely unconnected right?

The whole arguemnt for man made global warming rests on fragile ground. It is claimed that rises in co2 in our atmosphere exactly coralates with rises in global tempreature, and they do. But what they dont like to talk about is the 500 to 1000 year lag between the temp rising and the co2 rising. Ie, the temp starts to go up, then hundereds of years later the co2 starts to rise, which blatantly shows earths temp is the cause of the rise in co2, not that co2 is the cause of the rise in earths temperature.

over 90% of co2 emmisions into the atmosphere come from the oceans. The actual percent of co2 entering our atmosphere ever year that humans are responsible for is tiny, somehting like 2%. If we doubled the entire co2 emmisions of the entire human race it would acount for less than a 2% rise in global co2 emmisions. That is if we DOUBLED the amount we are puming out across the entire world. You really think less than 2% more co2 entering our atmosphere per year is gonna make any sort of significant difference to our planet?

End of the day it doesnt really matter what I say here though does it. Because people have made up their mind on anything that goes against what our governments are telling us long, long ago, without any care for what is really going on. Any view in any area of society that goes again the acepted theory will be blindly attacked by the majority regardless of evidence.

[adikt]

voting is what makes evil legit!

THIS!

[alien pimp]

one active volcano produces more toxic gas than all humankind in (i don't remember precisely) tens of years, and that's proven!

romans used to grow oranges in the actual uk teritorry, Greenland had agriculture and so on...

cattle and sheep are responsible for more greenhouse effect than cars, because they FART a lot. funny as this may look:

Rearing cattle produces more greenhouse gases than driving cars, UN report warns

29 November 2006 – Cattle-rearing generates more global warming greenhouse gases, as measured in CO2 equivalent, than transportation, and smarter production methods, including improved animal diets to reduce enteric fermentation and consequent methane emissions, are urgently needed, according to a new United Nations report released today.

“Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today’s most serious environmental problems,” senior UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) official Henning Steinfeld said. “Urgent action is required to remedy the situation.”

Cattle-rearing is also a major source of land and water degradation, according to the FAO report, Livestock’s Long Shadow–Environmental Issues and Options, of which Mr. Steinfeld is the senior author.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?N ... r1=warming

[dq]

people who believe those sorts of all-encompassing conspiracies about governments are the most servile because they have actually been fooled into thinking that power can control their will (wait not THEIRS, but EVERYONE ELSE'S). they believe that the hidden hand of power is lurking behind the curtain, pulling the strings, that the all-seeing eye watches them always. that is exactly what the state would like you to believe, because you are in awe of its power. so you are in a way the worst offender when it comes to perpetrating the absolute influence of the state.

[the great void]

people who believe those sorts of all-encompassing conspiracies about governments are the most servile because they have actually been fooled into thinking that power can control their will (wait not THEIRS, but EVERYONE ELSE'S). they believe that the hidden hand of power is lurking behind the curtain, pulling the strings, that the all-seeing eye watches them always. that is exactly what the state would like you to believe, because you are in awe of its power. so you are in a way the worst offender when it comes to perpetrating the absolute influence of the state.

well thats quite a backwards statement in most ways. You say..

'that is exactly what the state would like you to believe, because you are in awe of its power. so you are in a way the worst offender when it comes to perpetrating the absolute influence of the state'

this acknoledges that the state is infact conspiring to hold absolute power over us while trying to knock people trying to say exactly that same thing.

As for ur conclusion I dont agree. Power is held over people and they are kept in a perpetual prison of debt to an elite body beyond their control because for the most they are unaware of it. If everyone was aware of it then it couldnt carry on, people only have power because u give it to them. And in essence ur saying this, but ur sugesting by spreading this information it is causing it when infact the exact opposite is true.

I dont think the all seeing eye is watching me. Im one tiny person no one gives a shit what Im doing. Im not in awe of its power, maybe in awe of how willingly people hand over control of their lives to it and give it the power it has. Ignorence may be bliss but it is not a means to removing all power from the hands of the few, neither is denial, these things actually give over the power of the individual to other people by means of sticking ur head in the sand.

Its not people will which is being controled. Its the lack of information to give them an informed basis on which to construct their will.

[alien pimp]

people who believe those sorts of all-encompassing conspiracies about governments are the most servile because they have actually been fooled into thinking that power can control their will (wait not THEIRS, but EVERYONE ELSE'S). they believe that the hidden hand of power is lurking behind the curtain, pulling the strings, that the all-seeing eye watches them always. that is exactly what the state would like you to believe, because you are in awe of its power. so you are in a way the worst offender when it comes to perpetrating the absolute influence of the state.

this is the most amazing stuff i read lately!
still not fetching the conspiracy shit, i posted shit from mainstream media and official documents, if they are conspirationists, then what's not?

sometimes i feel these people never bother to read what they are arguing with, they talk like spambots!

[dq]

only alien pimp knows!! The truth is hidden from us, information controlled, but somehow the great ancient workings of the apparatus of world power are finally exposed!! But still we are powerless against them!

Yes power is in the business of perpetuating itself. Yes it would control information if it could (and it tries with some success!) but it can't!!! How else are we having this conversation???

[alien pimp]

so like saying the truth is in hand for everyone, "no big deal", as long as you bother to google a bit more than suck up fox news means it's only me who knows?!?!

prolly i meant also i'm the only one who has access to the links i posted!
:K

[pk-]

oops

[pk-]

..

[nousd]

Pimp & BigVoid have made some earnest but naive attempts to have us believe that a few individuals have us hornswaggled.

Na, doan think so mateys.
I'm of a mind to believe that Obama is much brighter than you and I
and that he does have our best collective, if not individual, interests in mind when, with his superb networking and subversive skills,
he incorporates his opponents and puts them in harness for the greater good.

You acerbically denounce any hope of him being anything other than a dupe or co-conspirator and back it with innuendo and links that can be inferred about any individuals who interact.
Makes me wonder what your ideals are...libertarian rights without the responsibilities? What do you put your faith in...your own opinions being right and immutable? It smacks of fundamentalist conspiracism to me...i.e. ascribe the workings of the world to iniquitous influences unrealized by those other than the cognescenti.

But, in the end, we are out of the loop and don't know.
This alone should at least raise doubts.
In that circumstance I prefer to be pragmatic and hopeful. Change is best made incrementally to be acceptable and I view Obama is a well-intentioned agent of the changes that will be made.

I regret that you meanwhile need to stew in your bile and pessimism.

[alien pimp]

Pimp & BigVoid have made some earnest but naive attempts to have us believe that a few individuals have us hornswaggled.

now you're the conspirationist !

Na, doan think so mateys.
I'm of a mind to believe that Obama is much brighter than you and I
and that he does have our best collective, if not individual, interests in mind when, with his superb networking and subversive skills,
he incorporates his opponents and puts them in harness for the greater good.

You acerbically denounce any hope of him being anything other than a dupe or co-conspirator and back it with innuendo and links that can be inferred about any individuals who interact.
Makes me wonder what your ideals are...libertarian rights without the responsibilities? What do you put your faith in...your own opinions being right and immutable? It smacks of fundamentalist conspiracism to me...i.e. ascribe the workings of the world to iniquitous influences unrealized by those other than the cognescenti.

But, in the end, we are out of the loop and don't know.
This alone should at least raise doubts.
In that circumstance I prefer to be pragmatic and hopeful. Change is best made incrementally to be acceptable and I view Obama is a well-intentioned agent of the changes that will be made.

I regret that you meanwhile need to stew in your bile and pessimism.

you can do whatever but it will matter only when you'll understand you and me are meaningless, so are our opinions
but that's totally different when opinions are backed up by solid objective arguments and they become objective truth.

so far i haven't seen one, but i mean ONE of the guys who still believe in the american dream to follow his denials with some back-up information or to expose his logical grounds.
everybody just lines up his personal ungrounded opinions or his bully vocabulary, sometimes both and they focus more on attacking the persons, not their ideas. most of the time the reactions are just emotional.

on the other hand, i brought here the very media and personalities you believe in, most of it it's not my words, it's your guys' words, so it seems contradicting me you contradict the united nations, wall street specialists and all the people you credit with good will. so you are contradicting yourself.
then you better let us know who do you believe apart from obama and his PR officers?

as i said countless times, doesn't matter what you think, but what you can prove! the same way it's more important the informational grounds and the logical grounds of your thinking.
NONE of you or your camp has that.
NONE was able to refer to a certain logical or informational fail in what i said.
Because YOU CAN'T! and it's not your personal failure, it's just nobody can defend that cause. all you can is having irrational emotional responses to a reality that proves you are screwed and you can't cope with it.

i can say here my opinion is you're an alien, what's that matter? what's it matter when you diagnose people that contradict you? not more than used chewing-gum!

so you will be able to contradict my shit only when you'll be able to formulate a phrase like: your quote from the UN commission for agriculture is fake, as proven by .... in this text where he shows... therefore your entire argumentation based on this weak link fails... etc ...

so far you're just opposing your personal opinions to information and logical construction that are far more grounded, solid and come from sources more credible than me and you.

[kins83]

Round, round, round we go.

[grinch recordings]

Round, round, round we go.

And yet they never learn

[nousd]

^Actually we do learn,
hopefully to have compassion for those that will construct a world,
from the unprocessably miriad views and interpretations available;
for those that are enraptured with a model that makes you powerless
to do anything other than report and reveal what you consider is a hidden truth.
Of course you won't change your minds at my urging
just as you don't consider me rational. Your loss...
your loss of the ability to change and to accept that your mind can be restructured.
Although of course you will think: Why change my mind when I know the truth?..it is those that accept the promulgated truth that need to change.
Consider this: I, perhaps we, have been where you are.
And moved on because it wasn't reasonable.


At this point you will no doubt return to your mantra: But look at the evidence!
At which point I say to you: Prove to me that red is not green.

I think that I've made abundantly clear that your vapid crap annoys me but, in the spirit of the more tolerant ninjas, I truly wish you peace.

[alien pimp]

see, you just confirmed me earlier: emotional reactions, personal standpoints, statements with no support... ah, and more referrals to the opponent's person than his ideas. avoiding questions... all the fake and useless rhetoric in politics now. well shaped!

and when you dive into rational you make mistakes: green is easily proven as not red because although we all relate emotionally to colors differently, green is a certain measurable frequency of the spectrum that's not a subjective matter. you can debate about how much you like it not what it is...

so you provide pretty much all the ingredients of soap operas, same as the new tv sensation obama, not the ones of analysis

and the evidence is only one: the world is shit, and couldn't get like that with our leaders trying to do the good things. and after centuries of same shit we keep getting enthusiastic every four years, then just before the new elections we want change and spit where we kissed.

but meanwhile you were sold my friend, your leaders stole your money and now america doesn't have what to pay for all the bling bling. that's hard evidence. and the people who caused that are all around obama again, always have been. that's what they call hard evidence