The Wire

jason burns · Post by **jason burns** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:13 pm

just found this thread, trying not to read any of joe's spoiler posts as i haven't seen season 4 yet (no HBO) im seriously fiending mad for it to come out on dvd. all i can say is this is the best show ever made.

tmu · Post by **tmu** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:24 pm

Fushimi wrote:I'm going to give this a try...but talking of the drug trade in Baltimore, anyone read this?

The Corner: A Year in the Life of an Inter-City Neighbourhood. It's a non-fiction book by David Simon, the writer of Homide: A Year on the Killing Streets (which became Homicide: Life on the Street). It basically follows a bunch of people who sound very much like the kind of people you've been talking about...and I've just noticed that it too was made into an HBO series.

Oh, and I've just noticed David Simon created and is the head writer of The Wire.

Fucking hell, I better get on it eh!!!!

yeah there's a miniseries of the corner... its good, but not nearly as good as The Wire... if you havent seen any wire eoisodes yet, i suugest you watch the corner first and after that go into the wire, co's after watching wire the corner doesnt seem good enough... no series does

fushimi · Post by **fushimi** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:54 pm

I'm currently on the 9th episode of season 2 after starting season 1 on Thursday. I'll post up some thoughts after I've finished season 1.

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:08 pm

Fushimi wrote:I'm currently on the 9th episode of season 2 after starting season 1 on Thursday. I'll post up some thoughts after I've finished season 1.

you wont be disappointed

fushimi · Post by **fushimi** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:08 pm

Whoops. I meant to say after I finished season 2.

adruu · Post by **adruu** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:14 pm

new and last season in january. belzer is in it!

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:18 pm

ADRUU wrote:new and last season in january. belzer is in it!

LOL..Munch. No Shit??

That guy shows up everywhere.

fushimi · Post by **fushimi** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:30 pm

There's a LOT of familiar faces in it from the East Coast axis of Homicide: Life on the Street and Oz.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:38 pm

out to ben ufo for that drunken pro-Wire conversation outside mass the other night

I think my part basically consisted of slurring ''I fucking larve the wire'' again and again and again. Like one of those mass crackheads, but ''the wire'' instead of ''jesus''.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:43 am

Watched all four series about twice since the last time I posted on here. It gets better every time, I keep noticing all these symmetries in its structuring- repeated conversations thrown into a new light by the line of the narrative. For example, Bodie bitterly talking to McNulty about being a pawn echoes D'Angelo's chess lesson in Season 1- in the first conversation, Bodie seems to think that a pawn could get to the top by being smart, but by the end of Season 4 he's come to realise that the pawns are really powerless and manipulated.

Also- is Rawls gay?! I completely forgot that you see him in the gay bar in Season 3. Then there's the 'Rawls sucks cock' graffitti in the police bogs. Would be interesting I suppose if he is, though maybe irrelevant. That would make two aggressive and successful homosexual characters in the show...

Is it suggested, when Chris so violently beats Mike's father to death, that Chris himself might have been molested in the past? That storyline is handled so well, the way it links in to the difficulties Dennis/Cutty has in reaching out to boys who've been left behind or abused by their own fathers.

At the moment I'd order the series 4, 1, 2, 3 in preference. Can't wait for Season 5.

joenicedj · Post by **joenicedj** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:15 am

RickyRicardo wrote:
ADRUU wrote:new and last season in january. belzer is in it!
LOL..Munch. No Shit??

That guy shows up everywhere.

Agreed. I love Law & Order SVU.

Corpsey wrote:At the moment I'd order the series 4, 1, 2, 3 in preference. Can't wait for Season 5.

I agree with you -- i can't wait for season 5. Season 4 wasnt only the best season of The Wire, it's one of the best seasons of tv ever. It's up there with the 2nd season of the Chappelle Show or The Cosby Show (when the kids weren't in college).

My ranking of the series in order: 4. 1. 3. 2.
2 is last because i didn't like the shipyard angle.

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:18 am

Just got the first season. Have a horrible feeling that if I watch the first one I'll just spend the whole week on itand miss all my deadlines. Not really in the mode for failing my courses, but we'll see how it goes.

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:26 am

joenice wrote:2 is last because i didn't like the shipyard angle.

you've got to admire the bravery of it, though. how many others would completely turn a programme on its head in its second series? it was genius.

any news on when series 5 is starting?

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:34 am

I'm not THAT sure about ordering Season 2 and 3.

Looks like I'll have to watch it again lol

schamotnik · Post by **schamotnik** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:10 pm

joenice wrote:2 is last because i didn't like the shipyard angle.

yes, but it was an important season in terms of developing the storyline... the bigger picture with the greeks etc...

benjybars · Post by **benjybars** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:05 pm

Schamotnik wrote:
joenice wrote:2 is last because i didn't like the shipyard angle.
yes, but it was an important season in terms of developing the storyline... the bigger picture with the greeks etc...

ah joe, come on! the shipyard angle is fantastic! frank and nick sebotka are such great characters. and the constant heavy drinking is pure jokes. and horseface is probably the funniest shaped human being in the world. the only think i didn't like about series 2 was ziggy.. such a an idiot character who just blatantly didn't ring true compared to the other.

i just finished series three last night.. has there ever been a better tag-team than Omar and The Brother??!!

the wire is so good it's disgusting. seriously, the best, deepest show i've ever seen.

one thing though, the first two episodes are RUBBISH! honestly, i couldn't take daniels seriously at all and it reached it's nadir with the chess analogy in the second episode... then it just goes into hyper amazing mode.

and Bunk is a joker.

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:12 pm

benjybars wrote:the only think i didn't like about series 2 was ziggy.. such a an idiot character who just blatantly didn't ring true compared to the other.

he redeems himself with the duck though, surely?

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:25 pm

Corpsey wrote:For example, Bodie bitterly talking to McNulty about being a pawn echoes D'Angelo's chess lesson in Season 1- in the first conversation, Bodie seems to think that a pawn could get to the top by being smart, but by the end of Season 4 he's come to realise that the pawns are really powerless and manipulated.

That whole chess exchange w/ D'Angelo gave one of the best lines in the whole series when Wallace asked how one of the other pieces could become the king.

D'Angelo: It ain't like that. The king stay the king

Is it suggested, when Chris so violently beats Mike's father to death, that Chris himself might have been molested in the past?

That seems to be the suggestion. You notice how w/ everyone else Chris kills, there's no suffering, and he always does it "clean". But then he just fucking unloads on Mike's father. Gotta be a reason for that.

joenice wrote:2 is last because i didn't like the shipyard angle.

Yeah, I rank Season 2 last as well, but mostly b/c the it was the least eventful in terms of plot movement. I kinda dug the whole angle w/ the docks, since it showed so many different angles on the drug trade, and that it runs bigger than even the people that run the streets. It kinda gave a perspective on how even "kings" like Avon/Stringer and Prop Joe are subordinate to the Greeks. Season 2 was also the beginning of the political direction the show began to take through the remaining seasons. There is a much larger commentary there about the decline of labor unions, the local affects of globalization, and how the power of the working class has become subjugated for the benefit of politicians and capitalism. That the setting for all this was the Locust Point area of South Baltimore is *deeply* appropriate, since that this more or less the story of that area for the last 10 years.

pk- wrote: any news on when series 5 is starting?

They finished filming last month. I heard they're supposed to start showing it either in January or February.

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:27 pm

pk- wrote:
benjybars wrote:the only think i didn't like about series 2 was ziggy.. such a an idiot character who just blatantly didn't ring true compared to the other.
he redeems himself with the duck though, surely?

LOL, I've known a few Ziggy's in my lifetime. Not necessarily in Baltimore...but they are out there

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:29 pm

best line from season 2

"but I'm not even Greek" - The Greek

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