dubstep and grime

random trio · Post by **random trio** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:47 pm

right on....

8 · Post by 8 » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:51 pm

blimey....
you lot have been gettin busy...

There is a lot of shit going down in this city. Some experience and absorb it more than others and it's gotta come out somehow... better it's through a mic in a club than on road with fists like the drunken ideeeeeiots in places like Croydon who don't know what expression is.

At the end of the day, Rap (in whatever form) is story telling... if the stories are sad or bad, so be it...we have a choice whether to listen to it or not. Alright, so some Grime MC's take it too far... ego's and all that shit but it's no worse than the likes of Fiddy and PDiddy and all those weirdos that appear to be running the mainstream side of it all.

I don't like the whole Grime/Dubstep debate... I think it's irrelevant. Music is music. I like some Grime, (feelin Crash Bandicoot too!), I dislike some Grime, I like some Dubstep, I dislike some Dubstep.

For the record.... Newham General's and Tubby at Fwd @ the End was heavy- the energy of the MC's was incredible. I've seen many a crap Grime MC at Fwd too though. Poaxy, I agree there's nothing better than seeing an MC who's a wicked lyricist- such as Manage and Stig (who I was lucky enough to see freestylin a few weeks ago outside Speakers Corner!) but many a HH MC has great lyrics but no stage presence, passion or energy. With Grime it's often the other way round.

I reckon those half naked chicks running around my television set are more harmful to society than the likes of Roll Deep anyway.

Maybe Radiohead too?

omen · Post by **omen** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:57 pm

but wen the fist an gun spill into the club rather than on rd (WHICH DOES HAPPEN) thts wen music gets a bad name i hav sed this from day grime mcs on dubstep dont go

dubstep is instrumental its about the element a voice 2 guide the listeners (pokes)

Grime is not about a instrumental its all about wiley or skepta or a next clash

I like grime alot i love virus an i love alot of the london stuff but 2 allow them 2 ride dubstep an bring the ego into dubstep wud b a very bad move

8 · Post by 8 » Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:03 pm

[quote="omen"]but wen the fist an gun spill into the club rather than on rd (WHICH DOES HAPPEN) thts wen music gets a bad name i hav sed this from day grime mcs on dubstep dont go

dubstep is instrumental its about the element a voice 2 guide the listeners (pokes)

yeh i agree with that

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:18 pm

bit weird how everyone maintains grime isnt about instrumentals either. i guess its dominated by MCs overtly, but there are so many talented producers making sick tunes that work just as well instrumentally

fuck it though ive said my bit

i think basically, im a garage fan. I got into it via Slimzee circa tail-end Pay As U Go. Started listening to radio and going to FWD. It wasn't even clear what dubstep was yet. Now I find myself being part of something I don't even recognise, and basically, I'm a grime fan.

So I guess i'll get my coat.

bedward · Post by **bedward** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:36 pm

never mind what's already been.
u never know if sum1 will vocal a dubstep track in a way u could not predict.
sometimes ppl make leaps.

dubstep has definetely got the space for lyrical contribution.
the possibilities for language and rhythm haven't been exhausted.

large up spaceape.
and still, bare unheard ways to spit eloquence.

sick boy · Post by **sick boy** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:50 pm

omen wrote: Grime is not about a instrumental its all about wiley or skepta or a next clash

thc · Post by **thc** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:10 pm

gee, this thread should have been named "Let's hate on Grime"

There's certainly a lot of shitty Grime MCs out there, but that's not representative of the entire genre. There's a lot of good MCs too. Having intelligent lyrics isn't really a priority for me, but it's nice if they have them.

As far as mixing the genres in a set, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. It's kinda hard to give a general rule about it, but it boils down to that DJs have to understand the vibes of the tracks. For example, playing some grime MC tune and then playing Digital Mystikz right afterward would be dumb. But like when N-Type or Jay 5ive for example mix in Grime with Dubstep, it usually works out well for them. Again, it's about understanding the vibes. Then there's some tracks that are really kinda 'on the fence' as far as whether to call them Grime or Dubstep, like Tubby "Tigerstyle" or Geneeus "Dark Boy".

So anyway, if you've heard some things you don't like, don't completely rule out the genre as never going to make anything good. Keep an open mind, you never know what people might come up with.

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:58 pm

thanks 8 and thc for talking some sense.

Alex bk-bk wrote:So I guess i'll get my coat.

i already picked it up. let's go.

nine · Post by **nine** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:04 am

thc wrote: For example, playing some grime MC tune and then playing Digital Mystikz right afterward would be dumb.

don't be so lame! mix a d double vocal on top of mala's blue note and tell me its not sick.

thc wrote:
So anyway, if you've heard some things you don't like, don't completely rule out the genre as never going to make anything good. Keep an open mind, you never know what people might come up with.

i've just done a census. the number of shit grime mc's in london has been slightly outnumbered by the amount of shitty half step tunes i've heard in the last 4 months.

Do you want a recount?

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:15 am

its all about the full contrast mixin grime with dubstep, a lot of beats that are totally different to each other create a whole new vibe

I really did always see current dubstep as just as much to do with grime/ dark garage/8bar as it is to do with early dubstep, if not more so

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:17 am

NINE wrote:i've just done a census. the number of shit grime mc's in london has been slightly outnumbered by the amount of shitty half step tunes i've heard in the last 4 months.

Do you want a recount?

mate it was a fucking landslide.

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:20 am

NINE wrote:i've just done a census. the number of shit grime mc's in london has been slightly outnumbered by the amount of shitty half step tunes i've heard in the last 4 months.

nail on head. so much griping about grime losing the plot when, outside a few mainstays, so much dubstep's going to shit with a blindfold on.

whoever it was, bok bok or mos dan, about fwd>> last summer when riko and them were down there - i made it to one of those and it was fucking intense, so much energy. it was literally the best musical experience for me ever.

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:23 am

8 wrote:I reckon those half naked chicks running around my television set are more harmful to society than the likes of Roll Deep anyway.

∞ and 9. yes.

Alex bk-bk wrote:I got into it via Slimzee circa tail-end Pay As U Go.

yes

bagelator · Post by **bagelator** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:31 am

stop me if i'm wrong, but wasn't this thing about diversity, somewhere in the oh so distant past? you know that thing that accounts for lots of different influences?

bedward · Post by **bedward** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:35 am

bagelator wrote:... wasn't this thing about diversity ...?

diversity, not a university.

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:39 am

Growing pains innit.

thc · Post by **thc** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:12 am

NINE wrote:
thc wrote: For example, playing some grime MC tune and then playing Digital Mystikz right afterward would be dumb.

don't be so lame! mix a d double vocal on top of mala's blue note and tell me its not sick.

I haven't heard that but I'm very doubtful that'd I'd like it. Digital Mystikz stuff is just too deep to be mixed with stuff like that. But that's just my opinion. I'm not much of a fan drastically contrasting vibes being mixed.

NINE wrote:
thc wrote:
So anyway, if you've heard some things you don't like, don't completely rule out the genre as never going to make anything good. Keep an open mind, you never know what people might come up with.
i've just done a census. the number of shit grime mc's in london has been slightly outnumbered by the amount of shitty half step tunes i've heard in the last 4 months.

Do you want a recount?

I don't see how that has anything to do with what I said, but I'd agree on that count. A lot of people want to be an MC.

hate recordings · Post by **hate recordings** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:37 am

a tourist girl from london came into the store where i work at today (whom i madly fell in love with, lol!) and i asked her if she knew about dubstep. she said no, but she did say she knew about grime.

she said "stay away from the grime clubs, theyre full of 16 year olds who think theyre famous, but theyre not".

any truth behind any of this or is this just the mainstream consensus?

spooky · Post by **spooky** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:28 am

Hate Recordings wrote:a tourist girl from london came into the store where i work at today (whom i madly fell in love with, lol!) and i asked her if she knew about dubstep. she said no, but she did say she knew about grime.

she said "stay away from the grime clubs, theyre full of 16 year olds who think theyre famous, but theyre not".

any truth behind any of this or is this just the mainstream consensus?

she must be goin to the wrong clubs then
either that or she is tryin to stop tourists from visiting london

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