You havent experienced the full amount of shitness until you have walked past Es Paradise in Ibiza & heard it blaring, along with all the knobs in fluorescent yellow & ridiculously long spiked hair, flailing their arms with glow sticks outside. Thank god twice as nice was @ Eden that night.
mmmmm thats some tashty narrowmindness, a bit of salt and i'll be a happy man. eliteness, woop!
init.
i went to ibiza over summer. for the trance. and it was really good.
why not go to any club in london for twice as nice than go to ibiza?
and to be honest you get knobs in flourescent's at dubstep nights pretty much everywhere except dmz and fwd et al.
Yea you get knobs in boiler suits with glowsticks at DMZ! When I'm abroad is about the only time i listen to trance it kind of goes with the better weather whereas garage just reminds me of what a grimy sesspit the UK is. I'm sure theres more to trance clubs than k'd up spazzy crasher kid fashion victims just like theres more to garage than chavs. Like any genre theres a serious amount of formulatic cheese in trance these days but when it was still fresh with tunes like Cafe del Mar etc it was great, or was that just the drugs?
This kid I know went to Ayia Napa years ago and got stabbed in the stomache almost died and needed untold stitches - never heard of that happening in a trance club
whitelight wrote:Hahah, IDM...You mean that genre of music where anti-social geeks keep pushing random notes on a keyboard hoping to get something musical outta it?
lol thats the one! BTW wtf does IDM actually stand for? EDIT just googled it...I don't think its that intelligent!
whitelight wrote:Hahah, IDM...You mean that genre of music where anti-social geeks keep pushing random notes on a keyboard hoping to get something musical outta it?
lol thats the one! BTW wtf does IDM actually stand for? EDIT just googled it...I don't think its that intelligent!
*ahem*
no actually, yer right, it means Infant of a Diabetic Mother....my bad!
whitelight wrote:Hahah, IDM...You mean that genre of music where anti-social geeks keep pushing random notes on a keyboard hoping to get something musical outta it?
lol thats the one! BTW wtf does IDM actually stand for? EDIT just googled it...I don't think its that intelligent!
*ahem*
no actually, yer right, it means Infant of a Diabetic Mother....my bad!
Mabeye ADM would be a better description? You know what the A stands for right?
whitelight wrote:Hahah, IDM...You mean that genre of music where anti-social geeks keep pushing random notes on a keyboard hoping to get something musical outta it?
lol thats the one! BTW wtf does IDM actually stand for? EDIT just googled it...I don't think its that intelligent!
*ahem*
no actually, yer right, it means Infant of a Diabetic Mother....my bad!
Mabeye ADM would be a better description? You know what the A stands for right?
nope.tried to think of something funny but i'm too retarded this early in the moring for that shit.edcucate me.
whitelight wrote:Hahah, IDM...You mean that genre of music where anti-social geeks keep pushing random notes on a keyboard hoping to get something musical outta it?
lol thats the one! BTW wtf does IDM actually stand for? EDIT just googled it...I don't think its that intelligent!
wow.... ignorance at it's highest form (not that you didn't know the name, the fact you think it's "random" notes).
1. these guys are actually incredibly talented, they make programs from scratch. for example, ever used reactor? Tim exile actually built that software. they know what they're doing and have great knowledge in physics and perception of sound, that's why they make interesting things.
2. you think dubstep producers have a fuckin clue? no they're just like, "what does this sound like? i like that sample put it there"
whitelight wrote:Hahah, IDM...You mean that genre of music where anti-social geeks keep pushing random notes on a keyboard hoping to get something musical outta it?
lol thats the one! BTW wtf does IDM actually stand for? EDIT just googled it...I don't think its that intelligent!
wow.... ignorance at it's highest form (not that you didn't know the name, the fact you think it's "random" notes).
1. these guys are actually incredibly talented, they make programs from scratch. for example, ever used reactor? Tim exile actually built that software. they know what they're doing and have great knowledge in physics and perception of sound, that's why they make interesting things.
2. you think dubstep producers have a fuckin clue? no they're just like, "what does this sound like? i like that sample put it there"
lol Glad its me grinding your gears not the other way round for a change! I'm not writing off all IDM but I'm saying great knowledge of physics etc doesn't always = great music especially when its more atonal than melodic which I find hard to appreciate as a musician with a classical and jazz background. To put it another way Joe Satriani is the worlds best guitarist (I think) but Oasis write tunes that for most are much more enjoyable despite their relative lack of talent. Not heard much of exiles music, I did hear a great remix he did years ago on an Adam Freeland compilation but everything ive heard since then has put me off as its a bit robotic probably in the same way the midrange bass tunes ive put out (that seem to be the only ones that actually get noticed!) have put off some ppl from listening to other stuff ive done like my album which actually has no midrange bass other than on the bonus cd.
Deep/intelligent is fine but there comes a point where the music goes so deep it gets lost up its own arsehole!
deamonds wrote:
I fancied an lighter night, with no fucking overhyped trance fraggle’s all moving there hands/jaws in my face like stnuc.
I loled at that one.
jaws?
rob sparx wrote:
Like any genre theres a serious amount of formulatic cheese in trance these days but when it was still fresh with tunes like Cafe del Mar etc it was great, or was that just the drugs?
anyone who disagrees that Cafe del Mar is sick is being ignant and needs to be shot and left for dead in a dumpster.
to be fair though...I haven't heard like Vol 12 or 13 to 16 so maybe they suck balls. but most of the various cafe del mar is ill.
whitelight wrote:Hahah, IDM...You mean that genre of music where anti-social geeks keep pushing random notes on a keyboard hoping to get something musical outta it?
lol thats the one! BTW wtf does IDM actually stand for? EDIT just googled it...I don't think its that intelligent!
wow.... ignorance at it's highest form (not that you didn't know the name, the fact you think it's "random" notes).
1. these guys are actually incredibly talented, they make programs from scratch. for example, ever used reactor? Tim exile actually built that software. they know what they're doing and have great knowledge in physics and perception of sound, that's why they make interesting things.
2. you think dubstep producers have a fuckin clue? no they're just like, "what does this sound like? i like that sample put it there"
lol Glad its me grinding your gears not the other way round for a change! I'm not writing off all IDM but I'm saying great knowledge of physics etc doesn't always = great music especially when its more atonal than melodic which I find hard to appreciate as a musician with a classical and jazz background. To put it another way Joe Satriani is the worlds best guitarist (I think) but Oasis write tunes that for most are much more enjoyable despite their relative lack of talent. Not heard much of exiles music, I did hear a great remix he did years ago on an Adam Freeland compilation but everything ive heard since then has put me off as its a bit robotic probably in the same way the midrange bass tunes ive put out (that seem to be the only ones that actually get noticed!) have put off some ppl from listening to other stuff ive done like my album which actually has no midrange bass other than on the bonus cd.
Deep/intelligent is fine but there comes a point where the music goes so deep it gets lost up its own arsehole!
I don't agree (the comment I made that you quote was sarcastic, obviously). It's all about what music means for you. And that's exactly that feeling of "going too deep" that I like. It almost seems blasphemous sometimes. You shouldn't have the right to make a track as melancholic as Vordhosbn. Sure, making complex music for the sake of showing technique sucks. I'd say the same about electric guitar solo. The thing is that most of these IDM artists make music both really complex, technical personnal, creative and emotional. I find it weird that someone could say it's "too deep"...anyway. Matter of taste I guess. Being an art student and being an experimental music listenener, I need to point out that even though I agree with you that I appreciate more the melodic side of IDM, the experimental, technical, mathematical side of some of it (most Autechre, Richard Devine and others) are some of the most interesting things ever. I think too many people only listen to music that don't even suprise them. I personally really like those lil' moment when I listen to a new track, look a my roomate and make that "what the fuuuucccckkk!?" face.
For those interested in some IDM/dubstep hybrids, look for Tipper, Vibesquad, Boxcutter, Spoonbill...
"I am getting so far out one day I won't come back at all."
whitelight wrote: Being an art student and being an experimental music listenener, I need to point out that even though I agree with you that I appreciate more the melodic side of IDM, the experimental, technical, mathematical side of some of it (most Autechre, Richard Devine and others) are some of the most interesting things ever. I think too many people only listen to music that don't even suprise them. I personally really like those lil' moment when I listen to a new track, look a my roomate and make that "what the fuuuucccckkk!?" face.
For those interested in some IDM/dubstep hybrids, look for Tipper, Vibesquad, Boxcutter, Spoonbill...
Mabeye ive missed out on something but almost every time one of my mates into IDM says check this tune out and im expecting something really amazing it dissappoints so ive given up on it. Boxcutters done some great music though - went to a gig with him a while back (full of art school students you are a crazy bunch indeed) and he does do some pretty mad music thats very melodic and trippy very interesting to listen to, like the use of live guitar as well. I'm all for experimentation in sound but theres plenty of IDM that is 100% noise (usually insects) with no thought to melodies harmonies etc which is just too fucking wierd, I think listening to that sort of music on the wrong drugs would make you want to kill yourself! Give me Burial and epic soundscapes etc any day of the week
rob sparx wrote:
Mabeye ive missed out on something but almost every time one of my mates into IDM says check this tune out and im expecting something really amazing it dissappoints so ive given up on it. Boxcutters done some great music though - went to a gig with him a while back (full of art school students you are a crazy bunch indeed) and he does do some pretty mad music thats very melodic and trippy very interesting to listen to, like the use of live guitar as well. I'm all for experimentation in sound but theres plenty of IDM that is 100% noise (usually insects) with no thought to melodies harmonies etc which is just too fucking wierd, I think listening to that sort of music on the wrong drugs would make you want to kill yourself! Give me Burial and epic soundscapes etc any day of the week
Well, part of it is a matter of taste. I prefer weirdo insect beeps and clicks to filthy chainsaw massacre.
The other part is that I don't know wich kind of IDM you listen to, but there's lots and lots of different sounds, and there's as much melodic stuff than weirdo electronic explorations in my opinion.
Epic soundscapes?...
Yeah, lots of it is way more experimental and doesn't have as much melody. I still find it much more bearable than most dubstep that comes out these days.
And for being on the wrong drugs with weird music...I think the opposite: absurd drug combos are probably how I learnt to appreciate that kind of music even more.
taal mala wrote: WHY?
Heard you're coming to Montreal for New Years. Can't wait, your set was awesome at Shambhs.
Euh...and why "WHY" ?
"I am getting so far out one day I won't come back at all."
i want 2 remix a trance tune, simply because of the riffs/arps ect
i think that given a dark edge, the happiest, most euphoric trance tune could sound sick with some tremendous bass
** Dj SnipaZ **(Bassclash/BUN/ResoFantoms/Bass Punch/Rottun)
Dayvan Cowboy is the most epic EDM tune ever created. To write off IDM as pretentious artsy shit built on a lack of melody and random bleeps is absurd. Ofcourse there's stuff like that, shit rocking out in an 11/8 timing and fucked samples, but the best melodies I've ever heard in my life come from Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Boards of Canada, Autechre, The Flashbulb, Clark, Luke Vibert, µ-Ziq and others in that whole scene that was established in the 90s. These days it's a bit wrong to call most of it 'intelligent' to be fair as there's a much wider spectrum of well produced electronic music now, but these guys all bought something new to the table in the 90s, and created an underground sensation that appealed to people outside the scene due to having seemingly better production values than the onslaught of mainstream house and happy hardcore of the day.
I'd call it intelligent, but the phrase does seem to suggest that all other 'dance' music isn't intelligent, which people like Aphex Twin have openly resented as they don't see their tunes as better than others.
whitelight wrote:Well, part of it is a matter of taste. I prefer weirdo insect beeps and clicks to filthy chainsaw massacre.
I am putting out 1 Numbernin6 chainsaw tune Ribz and I did used to like Chainsaw Calligraphy b4 I heard it a million times but other than those 2 tunes that I'm not a fan of the whole chainsaw massacre thing or the insects. I've always liked Boards of Canada but I don't think their music is nearly as epic or original as what Burial is doing although its definately more uplifting
