Post your unpopular opinions.

[Genevieve]

whether global warming is happening or not.

This pisses me off...

how can you doubt it? maybe you havent dug into it, but just a raise of a few celcius degrees can have a massive impact on the earth

..I'm not doubting it's happening (just if humans got something to do with it), I just don't think it should matter when it comes to taking care of your environment? Which is basically what the rest of my post.. says?

[altered state]

whether global warming is happening or not.

This pisses me off...

how can you doubt it? maybe you havent dug into it, but just a raise of a few celcius degrees can have a massive impact on the earth

..I'm not doubting it's happening (just if humans got something to do with it), I just don't think it should matter when it comes to taking care of your environment? Which is basically what the rest of my post.. says?

If you do your research and/or speak to any scientist in the field "global warming" does not actually exsist. If anything, its actually "global cooling".

Globalwarming is another buzzword used to scare the population into buying into products.

[Genevieve]

whether global warming is happening or not.

This pisses me off...

how can you doubt it? maybe you havent dug into it, but just a raise of a few celcius degrees can have a massive impact on the earth

..I'm not doubting it's happening (just if humans got something to do with it), I just don't think it should matter when it comes to taking care of your environment? Which is basically what the rest of my post.. says?

If you do your research and/or speak to any scientist in the field "global warming" does not actually exsist. If anything, its actually "global cooling".

Globalwarming is another buzzword used to scare the population into buying into products.

Do my research? I've been into geology and paleontology since I was 3 years old. I knew what a phylogenetic tree was when most were still taking shits in sandboxes and I could name every geologic type period, in chronological order, when I was 6. I do my research, which has resulted into my knowledge of the climate in the Earth's history and coming to the conclusion that there are a lot more than two different camps of scientists with opposing views. More often than not, scientists agree that the climate is changing (and ANY scientist in the field that disagrees is more likely than not an idiot, since the Earth's climate hasn't been static for billions of years), what most of the scientific community is disagreeing on are the causes and the severity of it.

I'm not into blindly following some scientists or jumping to conclusions, because honestly, I'm not a geologist or a meteorologist (and I'm still more knowledgeable on it than most people who haven't studied it). I don't give a fuck about what scientists say. I care about what they base it on. A scientist's opinion is as worthless as anyone's, it's the research they do that counts and how they research it. A number of quotes from scientists to back up my opinion is unscientific. Reading about their test results is fucking bullshit when you don't know the exact details of their scientific research. I'm way past reading silly blog entries at ">=0THELEFTWINGLIBERALMEDIAISLYINGTOYOUABOUTGLOBALWARMING.BLOGSPOT.COM", I'll wait for some more decent research done by scientists with some conclusive evidence.

[magma]

If you do your research and/or speak to any scientist in the field "global warming" does not actually exsist. If anything, its actually "global cooling".

Globalwarming is another buzzword used to scare the population into buying into products.

Jeremy Clarkson and George W Bush aren't scientists, dude.

[kins83]

If you do your research and/or speak to any scientist in the field "global warming" does not actually exsist. If anything, its actually "global cooling".

Globalwarming is another buzzword used to scare the population into buying into products.

Jeremy Clarkson and George W Bush aren't scientists, dude.

No, they tend to fall into the category known as 'bellends'.

[surface_tension]

whether global warming is happening or not.

This pisses me off...

how can you doubt it? maybe you havent dug into it, but just a raise of a few celcius degrees can have a massive impact on the earth

..I'm not doubting it's happening (just if humans got something to do with it), I just don't think it should matter when it comes to taking care of your environment? Which is basically what the rest of my post.. says?

If you do your research and/or speak to any scientist in the field "global warming" does not actually exsist. If anything, its actually "global cooling".

Globalwarming is another buzzword used to scare the population into buying into products.

Do my research? I've been into geology and paleontology since I was 3 years old. I knew what a phylogenetic tree was when most were still taking shits in sandboxes and I could name every geologic type period, in chronological order, when I was 6. I do my research, which has resulted into my knowledge of the climate in the Earth's history and coming to the conclusion that there are a lot more than two different camps of scientists with opposing views. More often than not, scientists agree that the climate is changing (and ANY scientist in the field that disagrees is more likely than not an idiot, since the Earth's climate hasn't been static for billions of years), what most of the scientific community is disagreeing on are the causes and the severity of it.

I'm not into blindly following some scientists or jumping to conclusions, because honestly, I'm not a geologist or a meteorologist (and I'm still more knowledgeable on it than most people who haven't studied it). I don't give a fuck about what scientists say. I care about what they base it on. A scientist's opinion is as worthless as anyone's, it's the research they do that counts and how they research it. A number of quotes from scientists to back up my opinion is unscientific. Reading about their test results is fucking bullshit when you don't know the exact details of their scientific research. I'm way past reading silly blog entries at ">=0THELEFTWINGLIBERALMEDIAISLYINGTOYOUABOUTGLOBALWARMING.BLOGSPOT.COM", I'll wait for some more decent research done by scientists with some conclusive evidence.

But do you have a financial profit motive for these conclusions... because if you don't, none of these people here will believe you. If you are independent or were fired for your views that would cost the new "green" guru's their funding, you might as well pack it in and pay the carbon tax.

[magma]

Frankly, man-made global warming is almost becoming a moot point, politically. Most environmental scientists would agree that if it is a man-made effect, then we need to be cutting down on burning fossil fuels - but we also have to be cutting down on this for various other reasons, not least that they're running out and that our favourite one (oil) is generally obtained by having to trade with countries that the Western world doesn't traditionally get along with very well.

Moving away from oil - by making it expensive to use through taxation - is a positive thing for the Western world to do, no matter why we're doing it.

[metalboxproducts]

yeah they do have some a few really good tunes, i won't deny that, but i don't think they live up to all the hype surrounding them, for me at least.

I totally agree with you. What really pisses me of is the way that the mainstream media go on about them as if they are still relevant.You cant go a day without reading some reference to them. The sixties were not the only dacade on the 20th century you fuckers. Oh and that leads me on to my unpopular opinion. "The sixties were not as important as people like to make them out to be".

[kins83]

You cant go a day without reading some reference to them.

I would've done if it wasn't for you two jibber jabbering away.

[metalboxproducts]

You cant go a day without reading some reference to them.

I would've done if it wasn't for you two jibber jabbering away.

yeah sorry LOL

[surface_tension]

Frankly, man-made global warming is almost becoming a moot point, politically. Most environmental scientists would agree that if it is a man-made effect, then we need to be cutting down on burning fossil fuels - but we also have to be cutting down on this for various other reasons, not least that they're running out and that our favourite one (oil) is generally obtained by having to trade with countries that the Western world doesn't traditionally get along with very well.

Moving away from oil - by making it expensive to use through taxation - is a positive thing for the Western world to do, no matter why we're doing it.

I would say that the word "MOST" in your argument is a bit of a leap. If you meant he majority, yes.. the majority of the Establishment believe this. Or they are paid to say it, rather... if I worked for a weapons manufacturing company like... say, GE, who makes weather satellites as well, I might report a certain way. I don't have to outright lie, but I can selectively report the news and be totally fine. And btw, ask Fox News, Lying is protected journalistic practice under the 1st Amendment.

Moving away from oil by making the economy grind to a halt is not the way forward, at all. Making oil obsolete by offering an intelligent alternative is the way forward. How about hemp? Go to it. But you keep saying it's all about oil. I agree, we should cut our consumption of OIL, but to do that you need a viable alternative. Fact is, you can't cut consumption of oil by raising the price of oil. All you can do is hurt the economy that way, because the cost of everything rises when you do that. Milk, Corn, Meat, Driving, Plastics, Clothing... every thing you buy goes on a truck. Cut your consumption of everything. Go on, you first. Fact again, is that it's the other lobbies, not the oil lobby that is most powerful. I agree, end speculation for sure. Totally a great idea.

I agree, clean air is best. I do not agree that CARBON is the pollutant. There are plenty of other causes of carbon emissions that should go first. I don't see anyone who keeps posting pictures of Ham and Steaks and Eggs on this forum helping the problem. Industrial farming and farting livestock release more CO2 into the air every year than every car in every country in the world. Stop eating meat and you just removed the equivalent of every vehicle from the road. Go on, you first.

Every argument you have, I agree with, with the exception of the scientific consensus, which is imagined completely on your part. And I also disagree that CARBON is the cause of Global warming. It's not. If you believe the Tax man when s/he tells you that it's for your own good, or the doctor who tells you that the lead mercury in your immunizations for school are for your own good, well I have a bridge to sell you and some Ocean Front Condo's in Colorado, on the banks of the Rocky Mountains.

[.spec]

yesssssssss nice jab at immunizations at the end there S_T. That's my favorite crazy conspiracy theory, I should have expected you believed it.

[surface_tension]

yesssssssss nice jab at immunizations at the end there S_T. That's my favorite crazy conspiracy theory, I should have expected you believed it.

Post your unpopular ideas. Apparently busting on me is popular, so quite off topic then in this thread.

Mercury in Childhood Vaccines Excreted Quickly

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/ ... ekey=86820


WEDNESDAY, Jan. 30 (HealthDay News) -- The latest chapter in the debate over whether childhood vaccines can cause autism was written Wednesday with release of a study that showed the controversial mercury-containing preservative thimerosal is rapidly excreted from babies' bodies and can't reach toxic levels.

"Thimerosal has been used for decades, but the surge in vaccinations caused fear that possible accumulations of ethyl mercury, the kind in thimerosal, might exceed safe levels -- at least, when based on the stringent risk guidelines applied to its better-understood chemical cousin, methyl mercury, which is associated with eating fish," lead researcher Dr. Michael Pichichero, a professor of microbiology/immunology, pediatrics and medicine at the University of Rochester, said in a statement.

"One of the unanswered questions when this first popped up as a controversy was, when you got thimerosal as an injection, how long would it stay in your blood," study co-author Dr. John Treanor, a professor of medicine at the University of Rochester Medical Center, said.

The new research, he added, showed that "the levels of thimerosal don't go very high, and they go down right away. By the time it's time for the next dose of vaccine, the levels are right back to where they were at the beginning."

For its study, Pichichero's team tracked 216 infants from R. Gutierrez Children's Hospital in Buenos Aires, Argentina, where thimerosal is still routinely used in vaccines. Use of thimerosal in childhood vaccines was discontinued in the United States after a joint decision in 1999 by U.S. health officials, pediatricians and vaccine manufacturers.

The infants in the study were put into three age groups and their blood-mercury levels were tested both before and after vaccinations were given to newborns, and at their 2- and 6-month checkups.

Pichichero's group found that for all three age groups, the half-life of ethyl mercury in the blood -- the time it takes for the body to get rid of half the mercury, and then another half, and so on -- was 3.7 days. That's significantly less than the half-life of methyl mercury, the kind found in fish, at 44 days.

"Until recently, that longer half-life was assumed to be the rule for both types of mercury. Now it's obvious that ethyl mercury's short half-life prevents toxic build-up from occurring. It's just gone too fast," Pichichero said.

"If you thought thimerosal was responsible for autism, you would be looking at mercury levels that were far below anything anyone's previously thought as being toxic," Treanor added.

"Though it's reassuring to affirm that these immunizations have always been safe, our findings really have greater implications for world health," Pichichero said. "Replacing the thimerosal in vaccines globally would put these vaccines beyond what the world community could afford for its children."

The findings were to be released Monday in the February issue of Pediatrics, but they were released early by the journal's publisher, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), which is requesting that the ABC network cancel the premiere episode of a new show Thursday dealing with the thimerosal-autism controversy.

The findings also follow a recent report from the California Department of Health that rates of autism continue to climb there even after thimerosal has been removed from childhood vaccines.

"A much more fundamental observation has been as mercury has been eliminated from vaccines in many countries the rates at which autism are being diagnosed continue to go up at about the same rate as before the mercury was removed," Treanor noted. "There doesn't seem to be any relationship between the frequency of autism and whether children are getting vaccines with mercury or not."

And they follow a series of studies, including a large-scale U.S. Institute of Medicine review in 2004, that failed to uncover a link between childhood vaccines and autism. The first report of a possible connection appeared in British study in the late 1990s; it has since been discredited.

Current estimates by the U.S. National Institutes of Health say that one American child in 150 has been diagnosed with autism, although experts wonder if that increase is due to better diagnoses and a broader definition of the disorder.

Still, at least one vaccine critic worries that inoculations are making children prone to autism, a developmental disorder characterized by impaired social interaction, communication problems, and unusual, repetitive, or severely limited activities and interests. And if it's not thimerosal, then it must be some other vaccine-related interaction, said Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center.

"There are many biological mechanisms involved in vaccine-induced brain and immune system changes that could quite well lead to autism," she said.

"Mercury doesn't belong in any product," Fisher added. "Mercury doesn't belong in vaccines whether it's proven or not proven that mercury is a problem in vaccines."

In ABC's new TV series Eli Stone, the premiere Thursday focuses on a lawyer arguing that a vaccine caused a child's autism. While the show includes statements that science has refuted a link between autism and vaccines, the program reinforces the connection as the jury awards the mother $5.2 million, according to the AAP.

"If parents watch this program and choose to deny their children immunizations, ABC will share in the responsibility for the suffering and deaths that occur as a result. The consequences of a decline in immunization rates could be devastating to the health of our nation's children," AAP President Dr. Renee R. Jenkins said in a prepared statement.

SOURCES: John Treanor, M.D., professor, medicine, University of Rochester Medical Center, Rochester, N.Y.; Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder and president, National Vaccine Information Center, Vienna, Va.; Jan. 30, 2008, American Academy of Pediatrics news release; February 2008 Pediatrics

[surface_tension]

In short, there is no question over whether or not there is mercury in vaccines, but what the ill effects are... feel free to refute them, with your infinite medical wisdom. While you are at it, make sure to ask the establishment if they want a reach around... you are so far up their ass, after all.

[.spec]

In short, there is no question over whether or not there is mercury in vaccines, but what the ill effects are... feel free to refute them, with your infinite medical wisdom. While you are at it, make sure to ask the establishment if they want a reach around... you are so far up their ass, after all.

You have no clue what you're talking about. None at all.

First off thiomersal hasn't been used in vaccines since 2001 so your comment about "whether or not there is mercury in vaccines" is bullshit. You should read things before you open your mouth. It was removed despite the fact that there was zero science supporting a link between autism and it's use.

Since then there have been numerous studies from pretty much all over disproving a link between thiomersal and autism. In particular this study was the first to kick things off.

I know you're either not going to reply to any of this directly, or you'll just put your tinfoil hat back on and hide behind your wall of "THAT'S WHAT THE MAN WANTS YOU TO THINK" but some day you should really consider coming out from behind your phobia of science. You may find that it benefits you.

Of course you've resorted to personal attacks so I won't expect any level of mature discourse from you.

[nousd]

it is unusual for there to be an argument about conspiracies on SNH.
keep it up fellas and stay off-topic.

[fuagofire]

i think hitler had some good policies and was very caring to animals

[nousd]

I believe Coventry in particular benefitted from his policies.

[surface_tension]

i think hitler had some good policies and was very caring to animals

There is actually no real information backing up the assertion that Hitler was a vegetarian or a vegan at all.

[j-sh]

i'm finding this debate over mercury in vaccines VERY interesting. Please continue...