The SNH Football thread

[garethom]

I think he'll handle the england job pretty well, dont expect miracles from him, quarter finals at the euros will be a decent achievment given the time he'll have and the players available.

This.

He has a track record of getting teams/players to overachieve, and that's the only chance that England have of winning anything at the current moment.

[scspkr99]

he really doesn't

[meanmrcustard]

The fact they seemingly didn't even approach Redknapp leads me to believe the rumours that he has more skeletons in his closet that the FA weren't willing to take a risk on.


Either that or Redknapp turned them down (which would've been the smart move), and the FA are just saying they didn't approach him to save face. Either way, there must be something there, I can't see them picking Hodgson over Redknapp, all things being even.

[scspkr99]

The appointment of Hodgson and the courting of Redknapp as he left the courtroom success against the taxman shows just how ridiculously shortsighted this condition of being English is.

[garethom]

he really doesn't

West Brom, top half finish looking likely.
Fulham finished 7th and got to a Europa League final.
Took Halmstad from favourites for relegation to winning the title in one season.
Led Neuchatel Xamax to victories over Celtic and Real in Europe.
Took Switzerland to the world cup in a qualification group that included Italy and Portugal. This little gem from Wiki: "At their peak while managed by Hodgson, Switzerland were rated the third best international side in the world, according to the FIFA World Rankings."
Took Copenhagen from 2 mid table finishes to winning the title in one season.

I'd say that's a pretty fucking good track record at getting teams to overachieve.

[Forum]

he really doesn't

West Brom, top half finish looking likely.
Fulham finished 7th and got to a Europa League final.
Took Halmstad from favourites for relegation to winning the title in one season.
Led Neuchatel Xamax to victories over Celtic and Real in Europe.
Took Switzerland to the world cup in a qualification group that included Italy and Portugal. This little gem from Wiki: "At their peak while managed by Hodgson, Switzerland were rated the third best international side in the world, according to the FIFA World Rankings."
Took Copenhagen from 2 mid table finishes to winning the title in one season.

I'd say that's a pretty fucking good track record at getting teams to overachieve.

He doesn't have the Del Boy appeal that the media seem to love about Redknapp

[PinUp]

he really doesn't

West Brom, top half finish looking likely.
Fulham finished 7th and got to a Europa League final.
Took Halmstad from favourites for relegation to winning the title in one season.
Led Neuchatel Xamax to victories over Celtic and Real in Europe.
Took Switzerland to the world cup in a qualification group that included Italy and Portugal. This little gem from Wiki: "At their peak while managed by Hodgson, Switzerland were rated the third best international side in the world, according to the FIFA World Rankings."
Took Copenhagen from 2 mid table finishes to winning the title in one season.

I'd say that's a pretty fucking good track record at getting teams to overachieve.

He doesn't have the Del Boy appeal that the media seem to love about Redknapp

He's got the "favourite grandad" appeal instead though.

[garethom]

he really doesn't

West Brom, top half finish looking likely.
Fulham finished 7th and got to a Europa League final.
Took Halmstad from favourites for relegation to winning the title in one season.
Led Neuchatel Xamax to victories over Celtic and Real in Europe.
Took Switzerland to the world cup in a qualification group that included Italy and Portugal. This little gem from Wiki: "At their peak while managed by Hodgson, Switzerland were rated the third best international side in the world, according to the FIFA World Rankings."
Took Copenhagen from 2 mid table finishes to winning the title in one season.

I'd say that's a pretty fucking good track record at getting teams to overachieve.

He doesn't have the Del Boy appeal that the media seem to love about Redknapp

He's got the "favourite grandad" appeal instead though.

Exactly, the youth will love him because he'll give them a werther's original at half time if they've tried hard.

[scspkr99]

Not really the English top division is pretty poor so getting a team like Fulham to 7th is hardly that exceptional. You're talking about games as successes over a 37 year career, if the victories against Real and Celtic are to be lauded lets give an interview the the manager of Northampton who knocked Hodgsons Liverpool out of the Carling cup in 2010?

What about him being pelted by coins by Inter fans who were in open revolt at his management, what about him leaving a recent league winning team at the bottom of the league in Blackburn and what about his management of Liverpool which had him in the job 6 months.

[Shum]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... erage.html

[Forum]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... erage.html

Pointless article by a journalist that clearly rubs one out over pictures of redknapp every night. Complaining that he's only got West Brom to 10th? They were in the championship last season and were expected to be in a relegation battle, i'd say they've overachieved if anything

[garethom]

You're talking about games as successes over a 37 year career,

Yeah, if you ignore most of my other points.

What about him being pelted by coins by Inter fans who were in open revolt at his management, what about him leaving a recent league winning team at the bottom of the league in Blackburn and what about his management of Liverpool which had him in the job 6 months.

I didn't mention those, because I'm talking about his examples of overachieving, which I feel is the only way England are going to win anything anytime soon.

You don't mention that he was pelted with coins by Inter fans at another European final he'd got his team to (that they lost on penalties)? Before he arrived at Inter, they finished 13th and 6th, under him they finished 7th and 3rd, and that was with a team devoid of the stars that would come in later years. The fact they got him back as a caretaker manager a few years later shows that they must not have thought that badly of him.

He qualified for the UEFA cup with Blackburn in his first season, but yep, fair enough, he left next year when they were bottom.

I mentioned his time with Liverpool earlier. He didn't have the backing of fans from the beginning, and he left them around mid-table, as I mentioned above, I genuinely think that with the squad they have, Liverpool would be lucky to finish anywhere higher than that group of teams that seems to float around 8th to 13th.

Way I see it, England are a sort of Fulham of the international stage. They might always be at the table with the big boys, but fucked if they're ever gonna win the league.

[jazzamataz]

I just put 50p on ALL the long odds for tonight...

anything above 3-0 either way and the draws...

Don't give a shit who wins (except I'll be rooting for Utd) I just
want a huge scoreline so I can bank. £10 spent and £50+ won
will be great for me...

I welcome you all to the world of spread betting.





Honestly, I want Utd to win this - I hate the idea that Citeh could
essentially buy this title, esp with Nasri, Clichy, Toure and fucking
Paddy V on their payroll.

(I still want Paddy to come home, btw...)

[jazzamataz]

Btw, I wouldn't give the job to Redknapp or Hodgson...

Redknapp has the brain capacity of a 10 year old child,
and Hodgson is about as inspiring as a brick.

Give the job to Stuart Pearce for this competition and then
have a serious look at Alan Pardew. For me, He's proven his
worth with Newcastle this year.

[Forum]

If Moyes had been English he would have been perfect. I've got a feeling he'll be offered the Utd job when Fergie retires

[jazzamataz]

Oh Yeah! ^ Moyes completely slipped my mind!

Yeah... they'd never give the post to a Scot.

[scspkr99]

You're talking about games as successes over a 37 year career,

Yeah, if you ignore most of my other points.

What about him being pelted by coins by Inter fans who were in open revolt at his management, what about him leaving a recent league winning team at the bottom of the league in Blackburn and what about his management of Liverpool which had him in the job 6 months.

I didn't mention those, because I'm talking about his examples of overachieving, which I feel is the only way England are going to win anything anytime soon.

You don't mention that he was pelted with coins by Inter fans at another European final he'd got his team to (that they lost on penalties)? Before he arrived at Inter, they finished 13th and 6th, under him they finished 7th and 3rd, and that was with a team devoid of the stars that would come in later years. The fact they got him back as a caretaker manager a few years later shows that they must not have thought that badly of him.

He qualified for the UEFA cup with Blackburn in his first season, but yep, fair enough, he left next year when they were bottom.

I mentioned his time with Liverpool earlier. He didn't have the backing of fans from the beginning, and he left them around mid-table, as I mentioned above, I genuinely think that with the squad they have, Liverpool would be lucky to finish anywhere higher than that group of teams that seems to float around 8th to 13th.

Way I see it, England are a sort of Fulham of the international stage. They might always be at the table with the big boys, but fucked if they're ever gonna win the league.

I didn't ignore the other points I referred to the Fulham finishing 7th not being as spectacular as suggested. The other stuff I just don't think is important, the fact that the Swiss were ranked 3rd correlates to Liverpool being ranked #1 team in Europe based on the UEFA co-efficient in 2007 despite the fact we hadn't won a domestic champtionship in 16 years.

As for his success at West Brom the first year they remained in the league is irrelevant he wasn't managing them, the second year they were not in the relegation positions before he joined them He did make it clear he wasn't able to guarantee they'd remain in the top flight despite them being relatively safe when he took over. This season he's done ok his results in Scandanavia were 20 years ago.

He left Liverpool in 15th position after he signed Paul Konchesky, and Christian Poulson much to the amusement of Juve fans who are still rejocing that they got 5m for him. None of the outfield signings made under him at Liverpool remain 18 months later.

It's scant acheivement in 37 years of management. It wasn't that he didn't have the backing of Liverpool fans from the off but he lost it really quickly when he set the team up to get battered by Manchester City, he's a fraudI've watched him blame everyone for his own failings bar himself. Now I'm entirely indifferent to international football so don't really have an interest in how he does but he's going to find far more adverse press with England than he did with Liverpool.

Again it shows the stupidity of having an English manager top the criteria for the appointment

[Mehlovich]

I just put 50p on ALL the long odds for tonight...

anything above 3-0 either way and the draws...

Don't give a shit who wins (except I'll be rooting for Utd) I just
want a huge scoreline so I can bank. £10 spent and £50+ won
will be great for me...

I welcome you all to the world of spread betting.





Honestly, I want Utd to win this - I hate the idea that Citeh could
essentially buy this title, esp with Nasri, Clichy, Toure and fucking
Paddy V on their payroll.

(I still want Paddy to come home, btw...)

I just spent what equals to about £50 on a draw tonight.

I don't give a fuck who wins... Gotta admire City a bit for having every duche in football on one the same team though

[scspkr99]

I don't give a fuck who wins... Gotta admire City a bit for having every duche in football on one the same team though

when did they sign Terry?

[Forum]

I don't give a fuck who wins... Gotta admire City a bit for having every duche in football on one the same team though

when did they sign Terry?

Think you'll find Rooney plays in red as well