FSTZ wrote:hmm,
I just don't get the sub.fm vs dubstep.fm
it's not a competition with me, it's music
yup.. i listen to subfm on the reg as well... =]kingthing wrote:FSTZ wrote:hmm,
I just don't get the sub.fm vs dubstep.fm
it's not a competition with me, it's music
Yep, whats with all the hate? You should all be thankful that you have a choice of stations whereby you can listen to the music you love. End of. Stop bitching you silly girls.
Doesn't mean there isn't something else influencing the number shown after the maths have been done. Maybe a simple case of adding 100 to the final result which wouldn't suprise me or the fact actual people are even connected. Could be some screen sessions somewhere on a server with multiple IP's.hellfire machina wrote:seckle wrote:it has to be said that listener stats on any internet radio station are never accurate or factual. this is why major stations like the BBC are audited by independent agencies like rajar.
http://radiotoday.co.uk/rajar/
That's simply not true, if someone is connected to the stream they are connected to the stream end of story.
who is auditing the dubstep.fm stats? how do you know that those listeners are locked in for a whole show? someone could be locked in for 5 mins. how do you know what ip's are proxies and what ip's are real?hellfire machina wrote:seckle wrote:it has to be said that listener stats on any internet radio station are never accurate or factual. this is why major stations like the BBC are audited by independent agencies like rajar.
http://radiotoday.co.uk/rajar/
That's simply not true, if someone is connected to the stream they are connected to the stream end of story.
USTD wrote:Doesn't mean there isn't something else influencing the number shown after the maths have been done. Maybe a simple case of adding 100 to the final result which wouldn't suprise me or the fact actual people are even connected. Could be some screen sessions somewhere on a server with multiple IP's.hellfire machina wrote:seckle wrote:it has to be said that listener stats on any internet radio station are never accurate or factual. this is why major stations like the BBC are audited by independent agencies like rajar.
http://radiotoday.co.uk/rajar/
That's simply not true, if someone is connected to the stream they are connected to the stream end of story.
The site above on the other hand has an audience of about 50,000 families who log every TV and radio show they listen to and then they work out using smart methods and ratios to approximately work out how much else of the UK is watching.
rajar uses "diary" data, made from real people that document their listening usage. rajar is the industry standard in the uk for most of the largest radio and web radio markets. the bbc also hires abce to further scrutinize their stats, so that the margin for error is as good as it can be.dopelabs wrote:USTD wrote:Doesn't mean there isn't something else influencing the number shown after the maths have been done. Maybe a simple case of adding 100 to the final result which wouldn't suprise me or the fact actual people are even connected. Could be some screen sessions somewhere on a server with multiple IP's.hellfire machina wrote:seckle wrote:it has to be said that listener stats on any internet radio station are never accurate or factual. this is why major stations like the BBC are audited by independent agencies like rajar.
http://radiotoday.co.uk/rajar/
That's simply not true, if someone is connected to the stream they are connected to the stream end of story.
The site above on the other hand has an audience of about 50,000 families who log every TV and radio show they listen to and then they work out using smart methods and ratios to approximately work out how much else of the UK is watching.
the way to gather stats is completely different than reg tv and FM broadcasts.. the only way to gather stats on those is to either have people answer a survey or have a number of people use special boxes that send usage of what they are watching, then they can estimate from that.... there is no way to tell of someone is tuned into a FM radio station or a TV broadcast other than that.. that i know of...
with internet radio or any internet broadcast, every listener that connects can be tracked because its an open connection to the server.. i can see the IP, hostname, how long youve been connected, what sofware your using to connect, if you have had any buffer under runs, etc, etc
the server also counts 'unique' connections.. which means it knows the difference between when there are 40 people behind a firewall all using the same ip or not.
all my stats readouts use the 'unique' connected figures... so in all reality, im sure there are people that tune in from behind firewalls.. which i dont count.. so really... we most likely have MORE listeners that what i publish.... counting the unique numbers also prohibits false reporting or the manipulation of the figures... makes it so someone cant tune in 30 times from the same host.
look at the shoutcast status page.. which counts EVERY listener connected to the server.. it also shows how many unique connections there are..
this page is generated by the server, there isnt a place that i can edit the html code or anything...
like i said.. its pretty cut and dry
http://relay2.dubstep.fm/
seckle wrote:rajar uses "diary" data, made from real people that document their listening usage. rajar is the industry standard in the uk for most of the largest radio and web radio markets. the bbc also hires abce to further scrutinize their stats, so that the margin for error is as good as it can be.dopelabs wrote:USTD wrote:Doesn't mean there isn't something else influencing the number shown after the maths have been done. Maybe a simple case of adding 100 to the final result which wouldn't suprise me or the fact actual people are even connected. Could be some screen sessions somewhere on a server with multiple IP's.hellfire machina wrote:seckle wrote:it has to be said that listener stats on any internet radio station are never accurate or factual. this is why major stations like the BBC are audited by independent agencies like rajar.
http://radiotoday.co.uk/rajar/
That's simply not true, if someone is connected to the stream they are connected to the stream end of story.
The site above on the other hand has an audience of about 50,000 families who log every TV and radio show they listen to and then they work out using smart methods and ratios to approximately work out how much else of the UK is watching.
the way to gather stats is completely different than reg tv and FM broadcasts.. the only way to gather stats on those is to either have people answer a survey or have a number of people use special boxes that send usage of what they are watching, then they can estimate from that.... there is no way to tell of someone is tuned into a FM radio station or a TV broadcast other than that.. that i know of...
with internet radio or any internet broadcast, every listener that connects can be tracked because its an open connection to the server.. i can see the IP, hostname, how long youve been connected, what sofware your using to connect, if you have had any buffer under runs, etc, etc
the server also counts 'unique' connections.. which means it knows the difference between when there are 40 people behind a firewall all using the same ip or not.
all my stats readouts use the 'unique' connected figures... so in all reality, im sure there are people that tune in from behind firewalls.. which i dont count.. so really... we most likely have MORE listeners that what i publish.... counting the unique numbers also prohibits false reporting or the manipulation of the figures... makes it so someone cant tune in 30 times from the same host.
look at the shoutcast status page.. which counts EVERY listener connected to the server.. it also shows how many unique connections there are..
this page is generated by the server, there isnt a place that i can edit the html code or anything...
like i said.. its pretty cut and dry
http://relay2.dubstep.fm/
no ones accusing you of falsifying info. i'm saying that theres no way that any of these stats are 100% accurate or facts. there's too many variables and you don't have them audited.
dopelabs wrote:and to finally bring this thread back on topic...
just hit a new user peak in the chatroom!
13:52 <@Dubstep> New channel user peak! (103) Last peak was 19 hours ago.
and climbing =]
ABBmusic wrote:Am I missing something? is Skrillex too main stream for you guys?
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