Guardian Article - Completely misses the point

narcossist · Post by **narcossist** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:36 am

Parson wrote:
when people ask me what kind of music i make i tell them i make very bass heavy music that is pointless to listen to unless you can feel it.

it would be really nice if it would work as an album but fact is most people don't go home and listen to their albums full volume with subs cranked, and if thats case i'd prefer they not listen.

it would be like looking at a painting with dark sunglasses on
no point

Interesting point mate, been thinking about this one alot.

I don't own a sub anymore, and while i miss hearing the low end, its definately possible to enjoy dubstep without one, its just different music. When i hear stuff at leeds DMZ its mad how much more there is to some tunes that i've never heard before.

Standard home listening isn't potraying the tunes in their best light, but i think the best tunes manage to supply enough decent rythm and melody or atmosphere in the higher frequencies to keep the listener interested without having their chest compressed by bass. When that does happen its an added bonus.

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:02 am

narcossist wrote:
Parson wrote:
when people ask me what kind of music i make i tell them i make very bass heavy music that is pointless to listen to unless you can feel it.

it would be really nice if it would work as an album but fact is most people don't go home and listen to their albums full volume with subs cranked, and if thats case i'd prefer they not listen.

it would be like looking at a painting with dark sunglasses on
no point
Interesting point mate, been thinking about this one alot.

I don't own a sub anymore, and while i miss hearing the low end, its definately possible to enjoy dubstep without one, its just different music. When i hear stuff at leeds DMZ its mad how much more there is to some tunes that i've never heard before.

Standard home listening isn't potraying the tunes in their best light, but i think the best tunes manage to supply enough decent rythm and melody or atmosphere in the higher frequencies to keep the listener interested without having their chest compressed by bass. When that does happen its an added bonus.

for me this nicely sums up why dubstep albums are worthwhile. whereas they will never replicate the snare slap bass shake of the club experience, the fact is the musical ideas and structures are strong enough to enjoy just as you would any music.

if there hasn't been a defining dubstep album yet then it's because so far they've occupied a strange territory between pure artistic flex and the hedonistic rush of dance floor bangers. i anticipate the forthcoming albums from pinch and distance may succeed in achieving a workable balance between the two.

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:01 am

optimum wrote:I came out with the term 'grime scene investigation' time ago, circa2005

gutta beat you to it

http://gutterbreakz.blogspot.com/2004/1 ... art-1.html

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:43 am

etidorhpa wrote:That dude's blatantly just playin devils advocate to all the recent hype....someone's gotta do it, all part and parcel of the media machine.

Bollocks to him, you've made yer quick buck now fuck off back to your medical journals.

spot on mate

r33lc4sh · Post by **r33lc4sh** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:39 am

narcossist wrote:i think the best tunes manage to supply enough decent rythm and melody or atmosphere in the higher frequencies to keep the listener interested without having their chest compressed by bass. When that does happen its an added bonus.

n-type · Post by **n-type** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:03 am

Blackdown wrote:Why the hell didn't you chose to take that approach when you were in a position of international influence on The Guardian blog?

Yer thats wot i ment,

Blackdown words it lively!

I'll leave it to the pro's, i just sound like im havin a fit!

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:07 am

Blackdown wrote:That's a considered response. Why the hell didn't you chose to take that approach when you were in a position of international influence on The Guardian blog?

x10

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:43 am

OK, I'm vexed now - so Jamie is the manager of Big Dada????

Shame on you. I thought you'd have known better.

dolly · Post by **dolly** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:23 pm

FAO Jamie - apologies if I offended you, it was a joke and I am nice girl really........however, your article was wack and quite frankly pointless!!

I hope you understand now that this music is loved by thousands and will continue to grow, depsite shitty articles or personal views...skank on!!

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:46 pm

I think the trip hop comparisons do make some kind of sense. The early Mo'Wax/Ninja Tune stuff was essentially instrumental hip-hop with "tasteful" rare groove associations, without any of that violent chatter that would spoil the bland breakbeats and fender rhodes. It was essentially the antithesis of urban music, removing the pressure and claustrophobia. This was chill-out stoner vibes, whereas hip-hop was getting blunted but moving into schizo-paranoia mode.

Not saying that all grime's essential or that all dubstep's wanky hippy shite but downtempo music does fall into the trap of not-really-doing-enough-for-anyone-that's-not-skunked-off-their-tits rather too often.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:59 pm

The bass thing is an interesting point... I've been saving for months for a good active sub for just this reason

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:51 pm

Shonky wrote:I think the trip hop comparisons do make some kind of sense. The early Mo'Wax/Ninja Tune stuff was essentially instrumental hip-hop with "tasteful" rare groove associations, without any of that violent chatter that would spoil the bland breakbeats and fender rhodes. It was essentially the antithesis of urban music, removing the pressure and claustrophobia. This was chill-out stoner vibes, whereas hip-hop was getting blunted but moving into schizo-paranoia mode.

Not saying that all grime's essential or that all dubstep's wanky hippy shite but downtempo music does fall into the trap of not-really-doing-enough-for-anyone-that's-not-skunked-off-their-tits rather too often.

A Tribe Called Quest, Krs One, Native Tongues, there was plenty of digestable/more palatable hip hop in the early 90's.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:44 pm

Jubscarz wrote:
Shonky wrote:I think the trip hop comparisons do make some kind of sense. The early Mo'Wax/Ninja Tune stuff was essentially instrumental hip-hop with "tasteful" rare groove associations, without any of that violent chatter that would spoil the bland breakbeats and fender rhodes. It was essentially the antithesis of urban music, removing the pressure and claustrophobia. This was chill-out stoner vibes, whereas hip-hop was getting blunted but moving into schizo-paranoia mode.

Not saying that all grime's essential or that all dubstep's wanky hippy shite but downtempo music does fall into the trap of not-really-doing-enough-for-anyone-that's-not-skunked-off-their-tits rather too often.
A Tribe Called Quest, Krs One, Native Tongues, there was plenty of digestable/more palatable hip hop in the early 90's.

Oh, yeah and the Pharcyde, but I do remember a lot of people round that time not really being into hip-hop if it was vaguely aggressive, who went on to buy up the blandest of the bland Ninjatune, mo'wax business. I'd say even with ATCQ, Black Sheep, De La Soul, etc, the lyrics and flow make the tunes as much as the jazzy backdrops. A lot of trip hop was essentially just jazz loops strung out for too long without any of the ingredients that made hip-hop interesting

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:06 pm

Yeah to alot of people hip hop has always been aggressive, never really liked
trip hop that much, like you say a lot of its was just boring.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:06 pm

Dusty wrote:The bass thing is an interesting point... I've been saving for months for a good active sub for just this reason

i got harmon kardon multimedia speakers w/ subwoofer for $15 at discount electronics in austin

surely you could find something similar for cheap

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