So you don't like grime?

[blazey]

Jon E had the right idea about where the music should of gone tbh

Im sitting on shitloads of Cash beats that aint seen the light of day, still play em, and not surprisingly they still hold it up to this day

[DZA]

Nah, he defo isnt making bassline, he has a lot of stuff he is sitting on but is tired of the industry.

Oh fair enuff

[Pada]

I used to be a massive grime head, massively into it.

Now I hardly ever listen - Mainly because of the lack of vinyl releases!
EDIT: this is mix is fire though!

[DZA]

Jon E had the right idea about where the music should of gone tbh

Im sitting on shitloads of Cash beats that aint seen the light of day, still play em, and not surprisingly they still hold it up to this day

need to hear them

[dirty canvas]

However, I think with some Dubstep heads there is alot of snobbery about Grime....People didnt want to listen to Terror Danjah until Planet Mu signed his album.

^this.

People - fans and journalists alike - hyping Joker but not checking for Terror Danjah until Mu compiled his beats ... it's just embarassing.

i can't emphaise enough how much i co-sign this

[dreamizm]

Lol at the above full circle post’s, I remember listening to grime in 2005/6 and wishing it was more like it was in 2001/2 haha.

dont get it twizzzled im into 02/03-05. the reason i said 05/06 is cos that was the beginning of the end for grime (IMO) and the last time most ppl were still checkin 4 it. these days u cant even really say what it is anymore

[mocsun23]

No I don't like grime, never did. Don't really like the beats either but I'll give this a shot considering you said there is no mc's.

^ this

[jimitheexploder]

This mix is well nice, I love the more energetic, dance floor leaning beats and Butterz are really good at digging the new stuff out thats hype.

[dhaywood]

seckle stays gassing up the forum with his warped assumptions

[cyrusfx]

I like grime, its usually got a lot more going on than U.S. rap, but the Google Trends graph says everything you need to know... its kind of a movement specific to England, whereas dubstep can be more universally appealing, perhaps because there's a wider scope of sounds, beats and basically formulations that can fall under the category of "dubstep."

in any case, can't wait to hear this mix when i get home...

[duttyvibes]

LOVE this mix.

always loved grime but, like many people have pointed out before, have became a bit disillusioned with the scene in some respects.
i don't know why, but from this thread, this mix and general work-rate going on at the moment, i feel like this could be a good year for grime.
getting a really good vibe, especially that the instrumentals are once again being given their full worth. i was not a fan of MCs using second rate tunes that wouldn't stand the test on their own. looks like the winds of change are coming!

let's hope

big up everyone involved!

[plastician]

However, I think with some Dubstep heads there is alot of snobbery about Grime....People didnt want to listen to Terror Danjah until Planet Mu signed his album.

^this.

People - fans and journalists alike - hyping Joker but not checking for Terror Danjah until Mu compiled his beats ... it's just embarassing.

Well said.

There are very few actual journalists out there. Most of them form their opinions based on what they've read on other people's blogs.

[Geeza]

All i gotta say is if journalists stopped associating Grime with the problems with today's youth the scene would be far ahead.

And if certain Radio 1 reviewers in their skinny jeans, check shirts and spazzy haircuts (Nick Grimshaw) decided to listen to more Grime instead of basing his whole knowledge of a genre on 1 tune the scene would be reaching further (Im referring to a disgusting review of London City by Devlin)

Also certain 'fans' of Grime I know start bitching when Wiley and Chipmunk make a mainstream tune SHATAP, these guys aint gunna rely on x number of thousand people buying there underground mixtape for paper, if you have ambition you want mills so mainstream is the way foward.

Wiley is currently in a war with Trim and Chipmunk did an F64 for SBTV so they're still on the Grime ting

I love Grime and at the mo I cant get enough of OG's (especially PMoney if you aint got his mixtape get it Money Over Everything, he also does alot over Dubstep)

Most people dont like it as there either too far up their own arses to give it a try, scared of its impact on todays culture or have false ideas of the entire Grime Scene being shady youths in flat peaks robbing old women and selling crack WHICH IS WRONG

Grime>>>>>>>>>>>>>any haters life imo

[duttyvibes]

All i gotta say is if journalists stopped associating Grime with the problems with today's youth the scene would be far ahead.

And if certain Radio 1 reviewers in their skinny jeans, check shirts and spazzy haircuts (Nick Grimshaw) decided to listen to more Grime instead of basing his whole knowledge of a genre on 1 tune the scene would be reaching further (Im referring to a disgusting review of London City by Devlin)

Also certain 'fans' of Grime I know start bitching when Wiley and Chipmunk make a mainstream tune SHATAP, these guys aint gunna rely on x number of thousand people buying there underground mixtape for paper, if you have ambition you want mills so mainstream is the way foward.

Wiley is currently in a war with Trim and Chipmunk did an F64 for SBTV so they're still on the Grime ting

I love Grime and at the mo I cant get enough of OG's (especially PMoney if you aint got his mixtape get it Money Over Everything, he also does alot over Dubstep)

Most people dont like it as there either too far up their own arses to give it a try, scared of its impact on todays culture or have false ideas of the entire Grime Scene being shady youths in flat peaks robbing old women and selling crack WHICH IS WRONG

Grime>>>>>>>>>>>>>any haters life imo

+1,000,000

[saphyre]

i get what everyone's saying but you cant blame dubstep fans for listening to joker and terror danjah just cause theyre on recognisable labels, its not the listeners job to go looking into every scene and support it , its more the journalists and labels fault for not pushing it in the right directions, there are a lot more genres than just grime that arent getting the recognition they deserve anyway

another thing, as someone who predominantly used to listed to (US) hip hop, i would say that grime isnt really that suited to the album format, but where its strongest is in those 8bar mixes w/ vocalists over it. i say this cause i think the way a grime MC works best is usually creating energy or hype and just flowing well over the mix, tbh i havent listened to any grime album that comes close to any of my favourite hip hop albums, please feel free to correct me though

also as purely a music listener all the beef and war dubs arent really my thing, i can appreciate that it adds excitement or whatever, but it leads me to conclude that grime is really rooted in its culture, and you need to be a part of that culture to fully be on a level with it

[miscreant]

Anyone know a guy called Alias? After I moved to Scotland I didnt really hear much grime, there just isnt the hype for it that there is in London - Last time I was back down though I got showed some tunes by him and they were pretty rude. I've looked about to try and get some 320's but couldnt find any anywhere.

[seckle]

Grime should have been big in the us off of tredding on thin ice alone, but the marketing fully fucked it all up. I'd be pissed if i was wiley.

No it shdnt. 'Treading On Thin Ice' deserved to flop, it was a waste attempt at an album, esp after the same mgmt and label had just put out Boy In The Corner.

yes it should. tredding on thin ice was a good album, and a good way to introduce people in the US to wiley, but it had next to no mass distribution here. it was only in specialist shops. boy on the corner was picked up by indie radio because of fix up look sharp. its video went to mtv rotation nearly immediately, and once the video became a hit, the album got full distro here, hence dizzee's US tour. wiley was hung out to dry in the US, while dizzee got the bigger push. tredding had at least 3 potentially big singles, and boy in the corner really only had one. wiley could have been a household name in america in 2004. all he needed was more clever marketing, which didn't exist.

[spydee]

this threads taken quite an interesting turn.

i used to proper love grime, was listening to it ever since eskimo came out but then somewhere in 2006/2007 i started listenin to a lot less of it and then once i started fully listenin to dubstep i pretty much stopped listenin to grime altogether soon after.

the music just stagnated imo. people argue that its not dead because people (in the underground grime scene) are still making tunes, goin on internet radio, playing certain raves etc...which is all true but i think the genre itself just lost its pace (cos of all the negative media, loss of pirate radio/raves and good producers combined with too much politics between people in the scene) and changed its direction, taking too much influence from hip hop and moving away from dance music as people wanted to be like the rich rap stars across the pond (this wasnt the sole reason obviously but still).

now the music is trying to pick up the pace again, which is good, but its on a much smaller scale and i dunno if it will ever reach the heights it was at, on an underground level anyways. the main thing that speaks volume tho is that when you look at the top people in grime now, a lot of them are now pretty succesful and charting regularly which is something that they all aspired to do from the begining.......but its not with grime music. they make some urban kind of pop (which is understandable because its what the mainstream like and they wouldnt digest grime) and when the top of a scene is forced to make a different type of music to be successful (or as successful as they want to be) it doesnt say anything good for the genre itself. That and the general "me me me" attitude within grime kind of gives it a bad structure.

[Sentinels]

I listened to Elijah playing some heavy instrumental grime on Rinse one time.

If there are grime DJs that want to play instrumental grime, and producers that want to make actual heavy tunes, not hip hop loop files then I would get back into it.

And I like MCs/bars... just hate the over emphasis on an MCing, ego and the mixtape culture. The levels have dropped for MCs too, but that's not to say there aren't great mcs pushing forward. Tempa T, Devlin and pre-chart Chipmunk all are fantastic new blood.

It wasn't always like this however and I hope in the future it can work for grime too. And that is not for want of diluting it, I like it raw. Just needs to have a rebalance of its priorities IMO.

[ruckspin]

Disfunctional marriage is a good analogy i think, not least when grime keep's cheating on dubstep with UK funky!

...and electro-house/pop/rnb/horribly re-hashed classic tunes... in some ways perhaps grime is particularly promiscuous, mind you dubstep has done similar deviant acts of depravity except perhaps been a little less blatant about its sleeping-around (i.e. not putting it about on radio1 playlists lol)...

sorry for extending the analogy further. some interesting points in this thread.
...anyway cheers ont d/l