to all the REAL dubstep lovers..

[Ayatollah]

this all reminds me of when i used to go to punk shows, and all four of the headlining bands would just sit in their respective corners being smug and miserable, talking shit about how the other bands weren't "true". i don't want to see dubstep come to that.

Smug sense of entitlement and better-than-thou attitude are present in every scene and they're a sure sign (not necessarily the cause though) that a genre's "golden days" are over. "Punk's not dead" only became a catchphrase because at one point everyone realised that Punk was in fact dead.

There is so much awesome bass music going on now anyway and we kind of owe it to people getting a bit saturated of "regular" dubstep, so in the end I see this as a good thing.

[fractal]

this all reminds me of when i used to go to punk shows, and all four of the headlining bands would just sit in their respective corners being smug and miserable, talking shit about how the other bands weren't "true". i don't want to see dubstep come to that.

Smug sense of entitlement and better-than-thou attitude are present in every scene and they're a sure sign (not necessarily the cause though) that a genre's "golden days" are over. "Punk's not dead" only became a catchphrase because at one point everyone realised that Punk was in fact dead.

There is so much awesome bass music going on now anyway and we kind of owe it to people getting a bit saturated of "regular" dubstep, so in the end I see this as a good thing.

i hate the term "golden days (or era)" it's highly subjective and reasons that a lump of tunes made during a certain time period are superior to most made at a latter date. It's a preference thing. there's some amazing things going on in hip hop, dubstep, house, jungle, jazz, folk, etc... right now, and the lines of what separates genre's have begun to blur, almost beyond recognition in some cases. to me it feels like we are finally beginning to see a real golden era in music, where we don't solidify around one particular sound and use terms like "regular dubstep" (which is an oxymoron btw) and "fill-in-the-blank is dead." music can't really die, only our spirit and passion for it can, imho

[joekool]

this all reminds me of when i used to go to punk shows, and all four of the headlining bands would just sit in their respective corners being smug and miserable, talking shit about how the other bands weren't "true". i don't want to see dubstep come to that.

Smug sense of entitlement and better-than-thou attitude are present in every scene and they're a sure sign (not necessarily the cause though) that a genre's "golden days" are over. "Punk's not dead" only became a catchphrase because at one point everyone realised that Punk was in fact dead.

There is so much awesome bass music going on now anyway and we kind of owe it to people getting a bit saturated of "regular" dubstep, so in the end I see this as a good thing.

i hate the term "golden days (or era)" it's highly subjective and reasons that a lump of tunes made during a certain time period are superior to most made at a latter date. It's a preference thing. there's some amazing things going on in hip hop, dubstep, house, jungle, jazz, folk, etc... right now, and the lines of what separates genre's have begun to blur, almost beyond recognition in some cases. to me it feels like we are finally beginning to see a real golden era in music, where we don't solidify around one particular sound and use terms like "regular dubstep" (which is an oxymoron btw) and "fill-in-the-blank is dead." music can't really die, only our spirit and passion for it can, imho

and why are we arguing? i agree with you completely. the genre lines are blurring so quickly that, for someone who really just loves music, right now is an incredible time. thanks to the internet, you can hear any sound from any place at any time, and probably chat it up a bit with the producer who made it, too. sometimes i'm amazed by the fact that i can sit down with my laptop and have access to a studio that's more comprehensive and flexible than the one pink floyd paid several million dollars to just have access to for two sessions. technology's magic, huh?

[fractal]

yes it is

[pompende]

I can't tell who's trolling in this thread.

Response pending.

hahaha! seriously.... for instance, 'rancor' is a fucking 6th grade vocab word...

[mattrelton]

Considering the word was used in an incorrect manner I agree: eugenics is based on genetic principles, not music!

no way srsly bro?

Yeah, the Americans started such things as forced sterilisation and selective immigration policies with state backing which inspired the N A Z I S to do the same. Summed up in this article (add www.):

sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/09/ING9C2QSKB1.DTL

That's true as well so don't bandy about words like that and make people used to hearing them in case it creeps back in

I feel the need to show you this -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[test_recordings]

Interesting, I'll bare that in mind. It's still true though

[Ayatollah]

Smug sense of entitlement and better-than-thou attitude are present in every scene and they're a sure sign (not necessarily the cause though) that a genre's "golden days" are over. "Punk's not dead" only became a catchphrase because at one point everyone realised that Punk was in fact dead.

There is so much awesome bass music going on now anyway and we kind of owe it to people getting a bit saturated of "regular" dubstep, so in the end I see this as a good thing.

i hate the term "golden days (or era)" it's highly subjective and reasons that a lump of tunes made during a certain time period are superior to most made at a latter date. It's a preference thing. there's some amazing things going on in hip hop, dubstep, house, jungle, jazz, folk, etc... right now, and the lines of what separates genre's have begun to blur, almost beyond recognition in some cases. to me it feels like we are finally beginning to see a real golden era in music, where we don't solidify around one particular sound and use terms like "regular dubstep" (which is an oxymoron btw) and "fill-in-the-blank is dead."

Of course it is subjective, but almost any relevant movement (not just in music) has a period commonly agreed upon as its "golden days".

Lines that separate genres have always been blurred, and people have always put up genres and subgenres to identify the resulting sounds. Genres are a real thing and always will be.

How is "regular" dubstep an oxymoron? music that you hear and can instantly say "yup, this is dubstep" = "regular" dubstep . It's pretty solidified by now, whether you like it or not.

music can't really die, only our spirit and passion for it can, imho

Which is pretty much spot on what was meant when saying "punk is dead".

[Hurtdeer]

I can't tell who's trolling in this thread.

Response pending.

hahaha! seriously.... for instance, 'rancor' is a fucking 6th grade vocab word...

nah mate i wasn't trolling i just like big words

[joekool]

Considering the word was used in an incorrect manner I agree: eugenics is based on genetic principles, not music!

no way srsly bro?

Yeah, the Americans started such things as forced sterilisation and selective immigration policies with state backing which inspired the N A Z I S to do the same. Summed up in this article (add www.):

sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/09/ING9C2QSKB1.DTL

That's true as well so don't bandy about words like that and make people used to hearing them in case it creeps back in

I feel the need to show you this -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

i've never seen that before but it's totally true.


i'd love to let this topic die, tbh, because nobody here that doesn't already get it has any interest at all in trying to. they're not interested in having a healthy argument that leads to any kind of resolution, and that's fine by me, it is what it is. i forget sometimes that nobody is allowed to have a sense of humility on the internet.

[fractal]

Smug sense of entitlement and better-than-thou attitude are present in every scene and they're a sure sign (not necessarily the cause though) that a genre's "golden days" are over. "Punk's not dead" only became a catchphrase because at one point everyone realised that Punk was in fact dead.

There is so much awesome bass music going on now anyway and we kind of owe it to people getting a bit saturated of "regular" dubstep, so in the end I see this as a good thing.

i hate the term "golden days (or era)" it's highly subjective and reasons that a lump of tunes made during a certain time period are superior to most made at a latter date. It's a preference thing. there's some amazing things going on in hip hop, dubstep, house, jungle, jazz, folk, etc... right now, and the lines of what separates genre's have begun to blur, almost beyond recognition in some cases. to me it feels like we are finally beginning to see a real golden era in music, where we don't solidify around one particular sound and use terms like "regular dubstep" (which is an oxymoron btw) and "fill-in-the-blank is dead."

Of course it is subjective, but almost any relevant movement (not just in music) has a period commonly agreed upon as its "golden days".

Lines that separate genres have always been blurred, and people have always put up genres and subgenres to identify the resulting sounds. Genres are a real thing and always will be.

How is "regular" dubstep an oxymoron? music that you hear and can instantly say "yup, this is dubstep" = "regular" dubstep . It's pretty solidified by now, whether you like it or not.

.

we'll have to agree to disagree. for some the 80's were a golden period of hip hop, for others it was the early 90's, for others it's right now (hudmo, rustie, samiyam, flylo etc....)


as for the term "regular dubstep" being an oxymoron, the idea of dubstep is 140bpm + sub + anything goes = dubstep means that there should be no "regular" dubstep, in fact, people should constantly be wondering, "what is this sound?" what has solidified is the minds of a small portion of youngsters in a scene, not the music itself. again, this is all subjective, so let's agree to disagree

[nellon]

Looking at all this text makes me think that people have too much spare time.

[gender]

thread summary: everyone is a tnuc

[notez_]

thread summary: everyone is a tnuc

A very appropriate conclusion to this thread.