skream - oscillator

[corpsey]

in my experience people who cry foul when someone uses a preset are just shit at building tracks. they resort to elitism to feel better about their inadequacies.

truth is, i'd worry about making an absolutely banging track long before the idea of using preset sounds bothered me....

Big up the technically but not musically minded, clear winners

[misk]

heh, got back around to this did we? i thought a lot about this, and i dont care that he did use a preset. its a good tune for the snare alone


i suppose big up to him for rinsing reaktor presets and making a track so big. if anything, let it be a reminder that we dont always have to spend hours on a good snare, if we can find one thats already good.

make tracks, not sounds, i guess. but, if he was really interested in originality, he wouldn't have done this. It DOES feed the dancefloor tho.

[chef]

heh, got back around to this did we? i thought a lot about this, and i dont care that he did use a preset. its a good tune for the snare alone


i suppose big up to him for rinsing reaktor presets and making a track so big. if anything, let it be a reminder that we dont always have to spend hours on a good snare, if we can find one thats already good.

make tracks, not sounds, i guess. but, if he was really interested in originality, he wouldn't have done this. It DOES feed the dancefloor tho.

It is original, I'd understand how it isn't if he or we had heard someone else use it first. Was it better that Skream used it.. Yeah I think so because I aint heard no one else do anything good with it yet becuase I/we would have heard it by now.

What aint original is all these generic Skream/Coki/Loefah clones I get sent.

[posit3125]

if it was only a few notes i wouldnt care, but its not its the whole melody, which is pretty much the focus of the tune. and hes doing it while claiming that he never uses presets which is pretty out of order i reckon

He really claims that he never uses presets? In the Gilles Peterson podcast interview GP asked him how he made 2D and he said it was just a preset he "fucked about with"...

It's not a big deal to me-- some of my favorite dnb tunes were built around presets, especially after Reason came out.

[misk]

It is original, I'd understand how it isn't if he or we had heard someone else use it first. Was it better that Skream used it.. Yeah I think so because I aint heard no one else do anything good with it yet becuase I/we would have heard it by now.

i hear ya man, the preset has been around for a few years now. like i said, i really dont care, it should motivate us to make tracks, not sounds.

What aint original is all these generic Skream/Coki/Loefah clones I get sent.

fuckin truth.

[doomstep]

I have never once used a fruity loops preset. . . .

ok, now we're done with selective reading / quoteing can we un-ruffle our plastic pocket liners, straightn our cow licks & get the fuck back to what we were doin

[chef]

^^^Yep, anyhow just to clarify for those who don't know, Reaktor isn't a fruity loop plugin.

[skrewface]

no offence to skream but i dont think we can really give him any credit for that seeing as the melody is completely rinsed note for note off one of the reaktor sequenced synths presets

why u cryin?

people need t get off the pipe - maybe defer a year of uni - n get out more, alot more itd seem,

and dont be bitter cos u still cuddnt have built that tune - with all the presets in the world

LOL, gayness at its top.

Skream is given credits by me and whoever is sitting on silence thinking that chune is big and whenever we feel a buzz that makes our penis/coochie to stand-up/get wet.

Fok confoosion

[misk]

^^^Yep, anyhow just to clarify for those who don't know, Reaktor isn't a fruity loop plugin.

hehe, yeah, its sooooo much more. dopest soft synth EVER.

[skream]

I have never once used a fruity loops preset. . . .

ok, now we're done with selective reading / quoteing can we un-ruffle our plastic pocket liners, straightn our cow licks & get the fuck back to what we were doin

And I'll say again i have never used a fruityloops preset

[emalkay]

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[chutnut]

everyone seems to be getting a bit too defensive about this. theres no need to start acting petty and claiming that i obviously cant produce good tunes and need to get out more etc.
im not trying to be elitist, and im not bitter. as i said before the actual tune doesnt bother me that much, it was the fact that he said he didnt he use presets that mainly bothered me. and yes i know technically hes not using a fruity loops preset

I have never once used a fruity loops preset. . . .When i said fuck that i meant sample cd's altogether . . . . I just feel your so limited when using samples. . . .

but you cant deny that by saying this hes giving the impression that hes written all the parts in his tunes himself
and as i said before again, i didnt mean any offence by it

all the gear and no idea will not make a track for no one.

in my opinion taking a whole melody off a preset and basing your tune around it is pretty much the definition of all gear and no idea. but again, before anyone has a go at me im not meaning to cause any offence. skreams made some ridiculously heavy tunes, im just pretty disappointed with what he did here

[coherant]

He shouldn't have to defend himself...track is heavy

Hate to see this thread go all DOA

[sidesteppa]

I think that the main problem some people have isn't with skream for using the preset but that the public then herald this as something unique...new and different. Not skream's fault i suppose. He just used the sound and didn't make any claims about it being revolutionary, fully admitting on giles petersons show it was nothing more than a ripped sound....however this in my opinion is the same as taking a sound off hindzy's grime sampler CD. You are just as limited by taking a preset sound as a sample off a sample CD. Just because reaktor is not as much used as fruity doesn't make it any less of a preset.

As for chef's point about 'if has been around for ages then why haven't we heard it. Well 2 reasons spring to mind. Nuber one, it's Skream so any beat that he produces whether it's a preset based sample based tune or the most complex, intricate piece of work ever it will get picked up by every DJ on rinse and cained! If anyone off the forum had produced a tune around the same preset it would not have been nearly as ewidely heard if it ever made it off the harddrive. Number 2 most producers wouldn't have been happy with taking a preset and forming a tune around it and probably would have done something to it to keep some originality to their work.

However wih the volume of Skream's output it is not suprising corners have to be cut somewhere and skream is all about the dancefloor anyway and as is proved by the majority of responses in this thread people don't care where a sound comes from as long as it makes them skank! I think the public will react to it whilst it is just the producers who spend hours in the studio perfecting their pieces, creating sounds and original works who will feel a bit cheated by it. The tune will undoubtly sound good as that is the function of presets...to show off a VST and make people go 'wow i like what this can do'. If people haven't heard the VST they will be impressed with the sound alone and not have a clue where it comes from and not care either!

The thing that gets my goat is the fact that skream is one of the ambassdors of the scene and a BIG name producer but he isn't really developing his art by doing stuff like this. He isn't getting into the production techniques and people don't know or care. Rather he is hailed as a hero and gets all his tunes battered everywhere and is being seen as revolutionary and experimental when this just isn't the case. As for people saying 'i hope this puts the emphasis on building tracks not sounds etc...' this is a cheap mindset which is inherrantly wrong. If we concentrated on that then dubstep will become as formulaic as clownstep. Tracks are based around arrangements which is basicly structure. By getting loops and arranging them into a structure you are simply getting into the realms of formula...drums 16 bar intro...drop with bass and beats....take out the beats for 16 bars....switch up the start of the second drop....skank out for a bit...outro drums. Simple. Works in DJ sets. The drugged up rave crowd go wild for the wobble bass and everyone happy. Hear this enough times and it becomes formulaic.

I know that most people posting will be happy with the simplistic for now and won't care whether skream uses a preset or not which is why skream himself should try harder to be original. The public will lap it up whatever as it is skream!

[relaks]

This thread needs to die.

[dolly]

The thing that gets my goat is the fact that skream is one of the ambassdors of the scene and a BIG name producer but he isn't really developing his art by doing stuff like this.

skream himself should try harder to be original

Summer Dreams
Tapped
Moving Snares
Blipstream
Mi Love It
Dutch Flowers
Lemon!!!!
Blue Eyes
Colourful

The list goes on.........

This tune IS a banger and goes off big time....."Oh My God, but lets not dance/listen to it cos its been built using a preset???????"

I cannot imagine any producer within this scene really giving two fcuks what was used....they are concentrating on their own shit rather than being bothered about what other producers are doing!

This track will have its place on the dancefloors and will quickly be followed by another banger, and another and another........

Do people reeaally care....? Like you said, he's not going on like this track is something 'revolutionary'!

[markle]

This thread needs to die.

[dolly]

This thread needs to die.

[harlesden]

This thread needs to die.

thirded

i've created a monster

so that new tune skream played on his show last ni...

[legs it]

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Feeling it.