To those who DJ, do you still use 12"?

[apmje]

I'm a new DJ, started a few months ago and I am strictly vinyl and I'll always play vinyl...maybe move Serato or Traktor in a few years, simply for the tunes that are digi only but I think I am content with my ever growing record collection! But at the end of the day...it's dubstep, if I was playing house or gabba or something I'd use CDJs but the culture with vinyl and dubplate is what this scene is all about for me. It's having that piece of wax in your hand and moving it, all the small touches and just the satisfaction of having vinyl collection!

It's addictive but when you have a love for a sound, you support it the best you can...I wouldn't spend my money on anything else. In my opinion, the best medium for music without a doubt...vinyl is still quite big in the DIY punk communities and I came from that to dubstep because they share the same ethics (maybe not as DIY as punk but you get what I am saying).

Just gotta pay the respect to a sound that is changing my youth.

[charliefoy]

I'm a new DJ, started a few months ago and I am strictly vinyl and I'll always play vinyl...maybe move Serato or Traktor in a few years, simply for the tunes that are digi only but I think I am content with my ever growing record collection! But at the end of the day...it's dubstep, if I was playing house or gabba or something I'd use CDJs but the culture with vinyl and dubplate is what this scene is all about for me. It's having that piece of wax in your hand and moving it, all the small touches and just the satisfaction of having vinyl collection!

It's addictive but when you have a love for a sound, you support it the best you can...I wouldn't spend my money on anything else. In my opinion, the best medium for music without a doubt...vinyl is still quite big in the DIY punk communities and I came from that to dubstep because they share the same ethics (maybe not as DIY as punk but you get what I am saying).

Just gotta pay the respect to a sound that is changing my youth.

With you about the punk bit

[apmje]

I'm a new DJ, started a few months ago and I am strictly vinyl and I'll always play vinyl...maybe move Serato or Traktor in a few years, simply for the tunes that are digi only but I think I am content with my ever growing record collection! But at the end of the day...it's dubstep, if I was playing house or gabba or something I'd use CDJs but the culture with vinyl and dubplate is what this scene is all about for me. It's having that piece of wax in your hand and moving it, all the small touches and just the satisfaction of having vinyl collection!

It's addictive but when you have a love for a sound, you support it the best you can...I wouldn't spend my money on anything else. In my opinion, the best medium for music without a doubt...vinyl is still quite big in the DIY punk communities and I came from that to dubstep because they share the same ethics (maybe not as DIY as punk but you get what I am saying).

Just gotta pay the respect to a sound that is changing my youth.

With you about the punk bit

And not the rest?

[charliefoy]

I'm a new DJ, started a few months ago and I am strictly vinyl and I'll always play vinyl...maybe move Serato or Traktor in a few years, simply for the tunes that are digi only but I think I am content with my ever growing record collection! But at the end of the day...it's dubstep, if I was playing house or gabba or something I'd use CDJs but the culture with vinyl and dubplate is what this scene is all about for me. It's having that piece of wax in your hand and moving it, all the small touches and just the satisfaction of having vinyl collection!

It's addictive but when you have a love for a sound, you support it the best you can...I wouldn't spend my money on anything else. In my opinion, the best medium for music without a doubt...vinyl is still quite big in the DIY punk communities and I came from that to dubstep because they share the same ethics (maybe not as DIY as punk but you get what I am saying).

Just gotta pay the respect to a sound that is changing my youth.

With you about the punk bit

And not the rest?

No no I am haha, just especially the punk bit what bands you into?

[apmje]

Haha. Into grindcore mainly but like crust, hardcore, powerviolence and some thrash too.

Napalm Death, Insect Warfare, Magrudergrind, Infest, Spazz, Weekend Nachos, My Minds Mine, Doom, Amebix, Phobia, Unholy Grave, Discharge, Martyrdod, Jesus Crost.

[Lurka]

love playing off vinyl and acetate! can't beat it! just had the news that my favourite record shop, drop records is closing though! dont like the idea of buying all of my records online like the community and vibe that comes with going to a record shop! but yeah as long as they are still made i'll always buy 12s!

[DRTY]

Yes, but rapidly less as time goes on.

If clubs maintained their equipment I'd use them more, it's not reasonable for DJs to have to carry needles/spare legs/slipmatts/ground wires.

imo, clubs are almost exclusively to be blamed for the decline.

[charliefoy]

Haha. Into grindcore mainly but like crust, hardcore, powerviolence and some thrash too.

Napalm Death, Insect Warfare, Magrudergrind, Infest, Spazz, Weekend Nachos, My Minds Mine, Doom, Amebix, Phobia, Unholy Grave, Discharge, Martyrdod, Jesus Crost.

Ahh nice. I don't listen to hardcore as much as i did, although i do play in a band. Managed to see have heart before they split up too

[jennings123]

I like to buy vinyl as much as all you crazies on DSF BUT my local Drop records in bath is CLOSING down soon, the next best thing is Rooted records in Bristol which is also CLOSING. I could always go to chemical and buy everything i want but its not the same at all? cant just go and chill in there for hours on end, this has made me move Towards Tracktor/Serato as an option, simply because its not the same. as much as ill get slated about it, its just moving with the times of technology! ofcourse ill still buy those vinyl you must buy but in general i think im gunna make the switch

[rob sparx]

Yes, but rapidly less as time goes on.

If clubs maintained their equipment I'd use them more, it's not reasonable for DJs to have to carry needles/spare legs/slipmatts/ground wires.

imo, clubs are almost exclusively to be blamed for the decline.

Even if djs do have needles and there's no other problems quite likely that without a proper sound-check record gets half way thru and needle starts skipping bcos weight on tone arm is wrong, what audience really wants to see a dj fucking about mid set to fix this sort of thing? Anyone whos done the mid set soundcheck and watched the dancefloor empty knows what im talking about, the difference in crowd reaction between a set with technical "difficulties" and a set without problems can be huge audience dont give a fuck what format the dj is playing. Clubs/promoters should have this shit sorted but dont hold your breath

I take my records to most gigs but rarely play more than a 12 or 2 before something goes wrong either that or some muppet get carried away and jumps up and down near decks or starts laying into the table the decks are on at the slightest hint of a heavy tune not even realising they are making the needles jump all over the place. Pretty soon playing vinyl will be like playing in a band, dj will have to bring own decks and arrive early to do a soundcheck b4 gig has started bcos club wont even have technics.

Its mainly bedroom djs who bang on about using only vinyl anyway easy to play 100% vinyl when its other ppls tunes a lot harder and more expensive when your trying to play unreleased material on real analogue format ie. dubplate NOT serato. Real bored of hearing the "why don't you play more vinyl" bullshit from non producers, I could quite easily not play a 100% vinyl set playing older tunes but id prefer to play mainly cds of fresher material at least until I can afford to cut plates and given the way things are with clubs at the moment is it even worth the effort? Probably a safer option at least for sound quality is to use acetate as part of the mastering process for digi recordings and skip all the bullshit with worn out or skipping dubplates etc (plenty of stories ive heard when normal vinyl playing fine but fresh dubplates in good condition skipping all over the shop whatever needle is used) or at least have recordings of those dubs on standby in case they won't play

[circleofpsy]

Vinyl Releases have come back to the scene, I get asked all the time why I release records, and this is the last time I will say. I don't release vinyl to save vinyl, to bring back records in Grime nor do I think every DJ should be playing vinyl or anything of the sort. The industry standard way to release electronic music is vinyl and digital download. I want Butterz to get the Grime sound way outside our little bubble and I must adhere to the rules that everyone is playing by. On top of that I love physical product, CDs, merchandise and vinyl and I have collected tons of it over the years, and it would be a shame to just let that culture go. I started taking DJing seriously in 2008 so I never got to be part of that golden era of grime vinyl, but there is a generation that does want in, younger then me, and for as long as it is viable I will continue doing putting them out.

Having the physical product has helped our music spread to all over the USA, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and all over Europe and I don't think we could done that with just digital downloads. You would be shocked to know our vinyl revenue is a lot stronger then the digital , and we will work at balancing that out next year. Hopefully Hardrive, Oil Gang and No Hats No Hoods have the same view and will continue putting them out next year.

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[th@-pu$$y]

honestly it has to be a solid release all around for me to pick it up on vinyl anymore especially when you weigh the costs of each when you're after just one side of a 12"
format doesn't really make a difference to me far as playing, and cds or timecode and a laptop is a lot more convenient than lugging around a bunch of wax since i'm not getting any younger
you just have to learn the nuances and quirks of both formats and the equipment
the classic adage of a poor craftsman blames his tools definitely applies here

Warning

Just another elitest thread reminding everyone who's not strictly vinyl, just how much they suck.

[brasco]

honestly it has to be a solid release all around for me to pick it up on vinyl anymore especially when you weigh the costs of each when you're after just one side of a 12"
format doesn't really make a difference to me far as playing, and cds or timecode and a laptop is a lot more convenient than lugging around a bunch of wax since i'm not getting any younger
you just have to learn the nuances and quirks of both formats and the equipment
the classic adage of a poor craftsman blames his tools definitely applies here

Warning

Just another elitest thre ad reminding everyone who's not strictly vinyl, just how much they suck.

[herbalicious]

Yes, but rapidly less as time goes on.

If clubs maintained their equipment I'd use them more, it's not reasonable for DJs to have to carry needles/spare legs/slipmatts/ground wires.

imo, clubs are almost exclusively to be blamed for the decline.

I'm not a DJ, but I've seen this far too many times. I can 100% sympathise with DJs for this...as much as I prefer people playin vinyl, it is more effort than it's worth sometimes.

[apmje]

Haha. Into grindcore mainly but like crust, hardcore, powerviolence and some thrash too.

Napalm Death, Insect Warfare, Magrudergrind, Infest, Spazz, Weekend Nachos, My Minds Mine, Doom, Amebix, Phobia, Unholy Grave, Discharge, Martyrdod, Jesus Crost.

Ahh nice. I don't listen to hardcore as much as i did, although i do play in a band. Managed to see have heart before they split up too

Not my type of hardcore, into the faster stuff. It's all cool though.

[rob sparx]

honestly it has to be a solid release all around for me to pick it up on vinyl anymore especially when you weigh the costs of each when you're after just one side of a 12"
format doesn't really make a difference to me far as playing, and cds or timecode and a laptop is a lot more convenient than lugging around a bunch of wax since i'm not getting any younger
you just have to learn the nuances and quirks of both formats and the equipment
the classic adage of a poor craftsman blames his tools definitely applies here

Warning

Just another elitest thread reminding everyone who's not strictly vinyl, just how much they suck.

Many of them are not strictly vinyl either they think that serato actually is vinyl (some even thinking it somehow magically makes an mp3 sound like a vinyl) play the few unreleased tunes they can get their hands on thru serato and still try the vinyl guilt trip routine. Where these guys getting sent some decent dubs most of them would be using mainly serato not cutting plates, for the large part the only difference between producer djs playing mainly digital sets and bedroom djs playing mainly vinyl sets is one has a good amount of fresh tunes to play and the other doesn't. You guys can pat yourselves on the back for buying records and supporting the industry but having a bag full of the same records as the next dj aint anything to be that smug about.

[apmje]

Double post.

[apmje]

Triple post.

[apmje]

Quad post!

[apmje]

honestly it has to be a solid release all around for me to pick it up on vinyl anymore especially when you weigh the costs of each when you're after just one side of a 12"
format doesn't really make a difference to me far as playing, and cds or timecode and a laptop is a lot more convenient than lugging around a bunch of wax since i'm not getting any younger
you just have to learn the nuances and quirks of both formats and the equipment
the classic adage of a poor craftsman blames his tools definitely applies here

Warning

Just another elitest thread reminding everyone who's not strictly vinyl, just how much they suck.

Many of them are not strictly vinyl either they think that serato actually is vinyl (some even thinking it somehow magically makes an mp3 sound like a vinyl) play the few unreleased tunes they can get their hands on thru serato and still try the vinyl guilt trip routine. Where these guys getting sent some decent dubs most of them would be using mainly serato not cutting plates, for the large part the only difference between producer djs playing mainly digital sets and bedroom djs playing mainly vinyl sets is one has a good amount of fresh tunes to play and the other doesn't. You guys can pat yourselves on the back for buying records and supporting the industry but having a bag full of the same records as the next dj aint anything to be that smug about.

I think your hitting the bedroom DJs a bit hard frankly since we also pay just as much as the people playing out or more in some cases (since a lot of us use vinyl) but even if I did play out, I'd still use vinyl...were not being smug and I know I ain't just because I use vinyl, only doing it to support the scene. Each to their own I guess but I think your taking a very one minded approach to this. We still keep the labels making money...unfortunately were not all that awesome to be getting dubs left, right and centre.