American Mid-Term Elections

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[Genevieve]

Let's all forget about the fact that 9/11 happened as a reaction to America's imperialistic foreign policy under Clinton. Was Bush any better? No. But people sure do love blaming Republicans for things that are done by both parties.

Neoconservatism is an ideology that started in the Democratic party, anyway. Also, our good friend and Democrat Woodrow Wilson didn't just sign the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, he was also the first major political figure in American politics who was a proponent of 'spreading freedom and democracy through out the world' and look where it has gotten us.

This whole elitist 'stupid "conservative" Republicans' blame game is so hypocritical. Especially considering that most people that buy into tend to mindlessly follow pseudo-left wing Democratic propaganda as well.

People turn politics into a fashion statement, it's ridiculous. Some think it's fashionable to be Democrat because of the supposedly 'left wing' cultural signifiers that are attached to the word, never mind that it's the same center-right party as the GOP, but with a different name. Selling itself as a progressive, freedom loving alternative to ignorant backwards redneck collective that is the Republican Party, even if its authoritarian policies enabled the country's downfall as much as the GOP did. Both are parties that publicly ignore the big issues (federal rights, central banking, the impact of military spending and imperialism on the economy), because god forbid, they might lose their corporately funded power.

[seckle]

Some think it's fashionable to be Democrat because of the supposedly 'left wing' cultural signifiers that are attached to the word, never mind that it's the same center-right party as the GOP, but with a different name. Selling itself as a progressive, freedom loving alternative to ignorant backwards redneck collective that is the Republican Party, even if its authoritarian policies enabled the country's downfall as much as the GOP did. Both are parties that publicly ignore the big issues (federal rights, central banking, the impact of military spending and imperialism on the economy), because god forbid, they might lose their corporately funded power.

yes, but democrats traditionally choose policy decisions and diplomacy over brute force and covert operations. Nearly all of the worst that the CIA's accomplished throughout the world has been done during Republican cabinets (Bay of Pigs/Fidel Assassination Attempt is the exception).

I don't know about you, but I sleep better at night knowing that my tax dollars aren't helping the right get more blood on their hands.

[AllNightDayDream]

Our imperialistic foreign policy has been going on mostly unawares for the past 60 years, since the end of WW2.

If you had read any history, you would know that the parties were almost completely opposite to their current state pre-world war

There's no substance to what you conservatives spout. All you talk is pathos and dogma. History has a blatant liberal slant. The numbers show that in the modern day, the less regulation you place over the market, the irresponsible capitalist greed takes the system over and places its bets against the individuals and workers.

[pkay]

Our imperialistic foreign policy has been going on mostly unawares for the past 60 years, since the end of WW2.

If you had read any history, you would know that the parties were almost completely opposite to their current state pre-world war

There's no substance to what you conservatives spout. All you talk is pathos and dogma. History has a blatant liberal slant. The numbers show that in the modern day, the less regulation you place over the market, the irresponsible capitalist greed takes the system over and places its bets against the individuals and workers.

Same could be said about our party.

As a democrat I can't stand the argument that we're somehow the honest and moral option. It's complete horse shit. Democrats are just as corrupt and seedy as their counterparts.

if our party wants to distinguish themselves from the republicans, we should start doing some of that 'change' we talked about the past 4 years.

[Genevieve]

Some think it's fashionable to be Democrat because of the supposedly 'left wing' cultural signifiers that are attached to the word, never mind that it's the same center-right party as the GOP, but with a different name. Selling itself as a progressive, freedom loving alternative to ignorant backwards redneck collective that is the Republican Party, even if its authoritarian policies enabled the country's downfall as much as the GOP did. Both are parties that publicly ignore the big issues (federal rights, central banking, the impact of military spending and imperialism on the economy), because god forbid, they might lose their corporately funded power.

yes, but democrats traditionally choose policy decisions and diplomacy over brute force and covert operations. Nearly all of the worst that the CIA's accomplished throughout the world has been done during Republican cabinets (Bay of Pigs/Fidel Assassination Attempt is the exception).

I don't know about you, but I sleep better at night knowing that my tax dollars aren't helping the right get more blood on their hands.

Both parties are equally responsible for bloodshed all around the globe. It's hilarious how Bill Clinton can get away with bombing schools in the Balkans because he's a Democrat or Obama does with bombing homes in Pakistan, but God forbid, a Republican does it.

Our imperialistic foreign policy has been going on mostly unawares for the past 60 years, since the end of WW2.

If you had read any history, you would know that the parties were almost completely opposite to their current state pre-world war

There's no substance to what you conservatives spout. All you talk is pathos and dogma. History has a blatant liberal slant. The numbers show that in the modern day, the less regulation you place over the market, the irresponsible capitalist greed takes the system over and places its bets against the individuals and workers.

You're in no position to discuss anything political until you get rid of this 'liberal vs conservative' thing. There is no 'right' and 'left', there are no 'Republicans and Democrats' (they're media propagated illusions). You're exactly what I posted about. Who said that I am a 'conservative'? Because I don't like the Democratic party? Did I ever say I support the GOP in my post? What is the word 'conservative' beyond dumbed down political terminology, reduced to a cultural signifier that people can latch on to?

And the financial bubble and Wallstreet crash was predicted by economists that adhere to free market capitalism, and they were the ones that warned the American public about it. It were the Keynsians (read: corporatists) that Read up on Austrian and Chicago school economics before you blame supposed 'free market capitalism' for what has happened. The GOP was more and I mean, MORE than happy to oblige Wallstreet with the bailout, just as much as Obama was. Prolonging the problem, rather than dealing with it.

Government control is what enables corporations because government is made out of corporations. The problem isn't the lack of control over the Feds, but the existence of the Feds and influence government has over the market. The government isn't out there to help you, but themselves. It's our duty to restrict their influence.

[seckle]

You're in no position to discuss anything political until you get rid of this 'liberal vs conservative' thing. There is no 'right' and 'left', there are no 'Republicans and Democrats' (they're media propagated illusions).

sorry, but thats totally ridiculous. people have full right to choose the threshold by which they can morally stomach the decisions and actions made by their government. democracy has developed for hundreds of years based on logic and morality. your choice of not following a partisan political ideology, doesn't mean that its all rubbish. if we followed your logic, it would mean that the majority viewpoint would have control, and it would lead to totalitarian foundations. in greece during the beginning of democracy, they called this sort of big headed thinking the "tyranny of the majority". no thank you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

[Genevieve]

You're in no position to discuss anything political until you get rid of this 'liberal vs conservative' thing. There is no 'right' and 'left', there are no 'Republicans and Democrats' (they're media propagated illusions).

sorry, but thats totally ridiculous. people have full right to choose the threshold by which they can morally stomach the decisions and actions made by their government. democracy has developed for hundreds of years based on logic and morality. your choice of not following a partisan political ideology, doesn't mean that its all rubbish. if we followed your logic, it would mean that the majority viewpoint would have control, and it would lead to totalitarian foundations. in greece during the beginning of democracy, they called this sort of big headed thinking the "tyranny of the majority". no thank you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

That's not what I'm saying at all. Politics are about issues, not the little subculture surrounding political parties. People aren't voting for the actual issues, but for their little subculture. 'Conservative' and 'liberal' are hardly political terms in the USA (essentially, conservatism is holding on to the ideals that a country was founded on, which in America is liberalism). Dismissing anything anyone says based on them being labeled 'conservative' or 'liberal' (or even worse, 'right' and 'left', which has lots all its meaning after the French revolution) and using that cultural signifier to dismiss their argument is just beyond silly, since you're not actually arguing against the issue, but the cultural stigma that is attached to the word.

[seckle]

Both parties are equally responsible for bloodshed all around the globe. It's hilarious how Bill Clinton can get away with bombing schools in the Balkans because he's a Democrat or Obama does with bombing homes in Pakistan, but God forbid, a Republican does it.

sorry but you're wrong in that its balanced. we can go back 70 years into history, and in terms of covert, clandestine, tax driven bloodshed, its a fact that the far right not only encourage it, but have gone as far as to subvert or topple other governments in the name of american freedom.

[seckle]

You're in no position to discuss anything political until you get rid of this 'liberal vs conservative' thing. There is no 'right' and 'left', there are no 'Republicans and Democrats' (they're media propagated illusions).

sorry, but thats totally ridiculous. people have full right to choose the threshold by which they can morally stomach the decisions and actions made by their government. democracy has developed for hundreds of years based on logic and morality. your choice of not following a partisan political ideology, doesn't mean that its all rubbish. if we followed your logic, it would mean that the majority viewpoint would have control, and it would lead to totalitarian foundations. in greece during the beginning of democracy, they called this sort of big headed thinking the "tyranny of the majority". no thank you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

That's not what I'm saying at all. Politics are about issues, not the little subculture surrounding political parties. People aren't voting for the actual issues, but for their little subculture. 'Conservative' and 'liberal' are hardly political terms in the USA (essentially, conservatism is holding on to the ideals that a country was founded on, which in America is liberalism). Dismissing anything anyone says based on them being labeled 'conservative' or 'liberal' (or even worse, 'right' and 'left', which has lots all its meaning after the French revolution) and using that cultural signifier to dismiss their argument is just beyond silly, since you're not actually arguing against the issue, but the cultural stigma that is attached to the word.

ok, i can agree on that then. i agree that culturally and in the mass media sense, its changed.

[frank grimes jr.]

ok, i can agree on that then. i agree that culturally and in the mass media sense, its changed.

Which in this day and age, carries a lot of weight... unfortunately.

[AllNightDayDream]

You're in no position to discuss anything political until you get rid of this 'liberal vs conservative' thing. There is no 'right' and 'left', there are no 'Republicans and Democrats' (they're media propagated illusions). You're exactly what I posted about. Who said that I am a 'conservative'? Because I don't like the Democratic party? Did I ever say I support the GOP in my post? What is the word 'conservative' beyond dumbed down political terminology, reduced to a cultural signifier that people can latch on to?

And the financial bubble and Wallstreet crash was predicted by economists that adhere to free market capitalism, and they were the ones that warned the American public about it. It were the Keynsians (read: corporatists) that Read up on Austrian and Chicago school economics before you blame supposed 'free market capitalism' for what has happened. The GOP was more and I mean, MORE than happy to oblige Wallstreet with the bailout, just as much as Obama was. Prolonging the problem, rather than dealing with it.

Government control is what enables corporations because government is made out of corporations. The problem isn't the lack of control over the Feds, but the existence of the Feds and influence government has over the market. The government isn't out there to help you, but themselves. It's our duty to restrict their influence.

Liberal vs. Conservative is a very real thing, seriously if you don't know the difference you have no place talking politics. Duality is found in countless tangible and intangible phenomena. It's like saying there is no such thing as bitter or sweet. I didn't mention parties, It's clear as day our whole country is shifted to the right and there is virtually no representation for liberal ideology in the U.S. Calling yourself a socialist, communist, or marxist is political suicide. Both parties are conservative, one just happens to be more moderate.

Obama obliged the bailout because A.) He campaigned on bipartisanship (not that it's successful at all), and B.) Something desperately needed to be done as soon as possible. With the dems being 1 seat away from a filibuster proof senate, they felt it was necessary to compromise. I don't really see what your point is.

@Bold: WTF?

Honestly where is the evidence that government has such a grip over the market? Look at the bills we have passed (and failed to pass) just over the past ten years, our perpetual romance with insurance, pharmaceutical, oil and defense contractor companies. The government is being firmly gripped by the market, not the other way around.

[seckle]

The government is being firmly gripped by the market, not the other way around.

and nearly all the top global economists agree with you. china holds our puppet strings, and the rest of the world watches how they play them. there is no global financial market in control. take one look at this, and you can see that europe is in pieces too. look at italy!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10150007

[seckle]

ok, i can agree on that then. i agree that culturally and in the mass media sense, its changed.

Which in this day and age, carries a lot of weight... unfortunately.

well if you look at fox news as an example, i'm pretty sure that a huge majority of americans get their global political outlook via that channel.

[frank grimes jr.]

ok, i can agree on that then. i agree that culturally and in the mass media sense, its changed.

Which in this day and age, carries a lot of weight... unfortunately.

well if you look at fox news as an example, i'm pretty sure that a huge majority of americans get their global political outlook via that channel.

Heaps easier than forming your own opinion.

[AllNightDayDream]

Same could be said about our party.

As a democrat I can't stand the argument that we're somehow the honest and moral option. It's complete horse shit. Democrats are just as corrupt and seedy as their counterparts.

if our party wants to distinguish themselves from the republicans, we should start doing some of that 'change' we talked about the past 4 years.

1st, it's not my party. I support it, but identifying wholly with a party is a bit silly imo. If I was going to, though, i'd be green.
Even with the inadequacy of the democratic party, they have more than a handful of political slogans and talking points to spew out repeatedly. They talk about numbers, and they explain how a bill is meant to work from point A to B (however imperfectly). While I understand the sentiment that both parties are similar in many ways, when it comes to corruption and dis-attachment to the constituents, republicans take the grand prize. Even legit conservatives are starting to realize the party doesn't give half a dick about em, that's why we have all this tea-party bullshit.

Speaking of which, the tea party at inception was completely different than what you see now at their rallys. They were mostly angry about the large banks, and how our government handed them large handouts, and that our representatives don't represent us anymore, which I could get behind 100%. The whole movement was totally hijacked.

and nearly all the top global economists agree with you. china holds our puppet strings, and the rest of the world watches how they play them. there is no global financial market in control. take one look at this, and you can see that europe is in pieces too. look at italy!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10150007

Life is debt. Whether you're a government or an individual, any thing you try to do becomes debt and ultimately profit for the select lucky few. Fuck the markets.

[frank grimes jr.]

Can't wait until I'm rich and white.

[AllNightDayDream]

Dems lost because young people didn't turn out

[deadly_habit]

Dems lost because young people didn't turn out

shocker...