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I dunno I'd quite like to hear some ragga jungle in a Remarc vein. Although I can appreciate Noisia's production it doesn't move me at all.

I don't think just cause it's newer and fresher it's necessarily better - 2 step's old to most people, but I'd rather hear that than yet another halfstep by numbers tune. Think there was way more rhythmic diversity to it than most modern dubstep.

If you look at the components of dubstep, most elements have been used somewhere before. You could argue that Radio Babylon was the original blueprint (heavy subs, reverbed snares, dark vibe) and that predates jungle by a few years.

Not being nostalgic for golden eras but there's blatantly going to be parts of a music's history that are going to be favoured by each individual more than others - I'd say 60's soul was far better than 80's for instance - so there's no point thinking there's just one way of seeing things that's going to apply to everyone.

meh
this is such a ghey argument

there are plenty of dubstep tunes out there only good for folding into ashtrays... with such a pissy amount of bass or such a minimal drum pattern you wonder whether something accidentally got deleted on the way to the mastering studio.

really d&b is currently far more diverse in sounds (and MUCH larger, more diverse fan base), so the styles you like within it might seem less overall, but in actuality there is probably far more volume of it than ever. dubstep isnt quite as broad yet, being a newer sound.
and i empasise yet.

get over the pissy chin stroking and focus on the sound you like.
jason burns knows where its at

Jayar wrote:meh
this is such a ghey argument
get over the pissy chin stroking and focus on the sound you like.
jason burns knows where its at

AGREED

I don't understand why people always have to compare the two. Or why a lot of people claim that they've "left" dnb for dubstep. I have always listened to multiple genres and never have I really had the feeling that one compromised another's reputation in comparison... or even compared them in ways of which genre is better. Just enjoy all the music you like for itself... it doesn't need to be compared to the pro's and con's of another genre, I don't really see the prupose that it serves I guess. To each their own though.

Shonky wrote:

Bainbridge wrote:

ImpatientPiranha wrote: DnB is older and more evolved than Dubstep. Is it really fair to compair the two when Dubstep hasn't had the chance to mature yet?? Maybe this topic should be postponed for 5-10 years??

well said that man.

A lot of dubstep to me sounds simlilar in many ways to some of the earlie dnb releases on production technique and methods, take the first Virus releases espically the ed rush and optical wormhole album and compare that to something released this year, the amount of sounds and technical difficulty of those tracks show just how much dnb has developed over the years.
Dubstep will make the same sort of developments it just takes time to evolve. but for now everyone ejoys the simlicity of it, given a few more years complexity will be requested, its inevitable, if anything it allready has.

dnb has got like 10 years on dubstep, so a comparrison is difficult.

That would make this



better than this



Not convinced by that argument

How about comparing dubstep to country and western or something that hasn't been done to death a million fucking times

Space for both, your opinions are subjective yada yada yada

ENOUGH ALREADY

who said anything about it being better, dum.....

Course there's space for both, usually along side each other, dont get why people hate this discussion so much, its got relevence to whats going on in both scenes.

inaya wrote:I don't understand why people always have to compare the two. Or why a lot of people claim that they've "left" dnb for dubstep. I have always listened to multiple genres and never have I really had the feeling that one compromised another's reputation in comparison... or even compared them in ways of which genre is better. Just enjoy all the music you like for itself... it doesn't need to be compared to the pro's and con's of another genre, I don't really see the prupose that it serves I guess. To each their own though.

Exactly. It feels like people have an enormous need to be in a sort of monogamous relationship with some music genre. "I left dnb cause dubstep just has so much more to offer!"

I know this genre is quite new and exciting but too many ppl wanna compare it and go on about evolution. I'd rather just enjoy tbh

jason burns wrote:-much harder to mix well for some reason

I find Dubstep much easier to mix, I hate it when DnB tunes have 16 bars of build up before a drop, and then another 4 bars of silence. With Dubstep 99% of the time the tues have a nice regular structure and u can mix right the way thru them

Bainbridge wrote:
who said anything about it being better, dum.....

Course there's space for both, usually along side each other, dont get why people hate this discussion so much, its got relevence to whats going on in both scenes.

I think the reason people are pissed off with this kind of thread is because it's been done to death already. This theme crops up in various guises about once a month and it's fucking boring. "What can dubstep learn from DnB?" and the like.

What can Gabber Folk learn from Dubstep?

metalboxproducts wrote:
I think the reason people are pissed off with this kind of thread is because it's been done to death already. This theme crops up in various guises about once a month and it's fucking boring. "What can dubstep learn from DnB?" and the like.

Signus wrote:What can Gabber Folk learn from Dubstep?

Chill out a bit

Signus wrote:What can Gabber Folk learn from Dubstep?

At last a sensible answer.

It's subjective - there is good and bad in both and ultimately it isn't going to matter a shit to anyone what another's opinion is, unless you're a really weak person who can't follow his own tastes.

Maybe we could put it in the "New to the Board" sticky so we don't keep having the same lame, played out argument. Don't seem to get "what can dubstep learn from breakbeat, house, metal, etc" threads I notice.

And dubstep goes back to 1999 if you take Stone Cold as the original blueprint so drum'n'bass has only really got 5 years on it (depending on when you take the original drum'n'bass tune as).

One of the things this board does seem to be getting from dnb is the aggy, gobshites who seem to like mouthing off on DOA so much and I'd be quite happy to get shot of them sharpish.

Shonky wrote:

Signus wrote:What can Gabber Folk learn from Dubstep?

One of the things this board does seem to be getting from dnb is the aggy, gobshites who seem to like mouthing off on DOA so much and I'd be quite happy to get shot of them sharpish.

hehe. indeed

Shonky wrote:

Signus wrote:What can Gabber Folk learn from Dubstep?

One of the things this board does seem to be getting from dnb is the aggy, gobshites who seem to like mouthing off on DOA so much and I'd be quite happy to get shot of them sharpish.

Yes, it does seem to be the new people who do this. I always check the date they joined and the amount of post they have and it's always new people. So to all the new people stop being twats. We don't need it. We were all new at some piont but, we weren't all twats.

The argument (or topic of conversation) is as varied as there are people to hold opinions. Despite that, they seem to run in the same track.

For me, it was just a fact that I listened to DnB for years, nearly exclusively. Sure, some breaks, and some progressive, but the bulk was DnB. And predictably, I got kinda sick of it.

I see the same patterns happening in my listening trends with dubstep. And one day, once dubstep's evolutions have slowed, and another genre seems new and fresh, these same conversations are gonna pop up. These same stages of listening will be represented by different people.

All i'm really going to say on the subject, aside from how pointless these cyclical comparisons between genres are, is:

I LOVE ELECTRONIC MUSIC.

Dubstep, DnB, progressive hous/breaks/techno, minimal, ambient, all of it. It seems almost every dubhead has liked DnB at one time, so if you have DnB you think stands out, rep that shit! Show people like me who don't know how to sift through the replicated bullshit tunes what DnB is doing now, in the middle of a dubstep set. Throw some ravers off kilter....slap them in the face with what they don't expect. I stopped listening to DnB in majority because I couldn't find anything that felt that fresh....but that doesn't mean I even think for a second that i know that DnB has stopped evolving.

more blending, less genre defining. Strength in genetic pools stems from diversity. Music is no different, a living breathing thing that evolves best through variation. We hear all this about the intersection of techno and dubstep, and I love it. As opposed to why dubstep is better than DnB, let's explore how well they can be complementary. Please, as DJs and producers, I'd love it if you all fucked with people's expectations more.

a lot of these threads seem, well, kinda insecure, like people need to feel good about the music they love by slaggin what they used to love. Stop it!

Don't hate, celebrate.

Fucks sake.
LET.IT.DIE.

listen to PHaces tunes, theyre sick.


DnB is sick.

much more talented producers.


dubstep is isck

in its infancy still

not as original as some people point out.

its all good music though.

sorry to bump this thread again.

i think the only time i ever have to make a choice between drum n bass and dubstep, is when i purchase music.

ive been collecting dnb for a few years now, and am quite happy with what ive got. i know whats i like, so i knows whats to buy.

with dubstep, its slightly different, purely because of the amount of tunes that MUST be brought. eg, the entire dmz collection, all skreamisms, most of benga, skull disco, hotflush, planet mu, blah blah blah, too many to mention.
what im saying is, i havent found my particular style with dubstep, i feel im running round like a crazyman trying to get as much of it as possible.
this is why i find myself choosing dubstep over dnb at the minute.

thats the only possible way i ever compare dnb to dubstep.

dj slums wrote:sorry to bump this thread again.

i think the only time i ever have to make a choice between drum n bass and dubstep, is when i purchase music.

ive been collecting dnb for a few years now, and am quite happy with what ive got. i know whats i like, so i knows whats to buy.

with dubstep, its slightly different, purely because of the amount of tunes that MUST be brought. eg, the entire dmz collection, all skreamisms, most of benga, skull disco, hotflush, planet mu, blah blah blah, too many to mention.
what im saying is, i havent found my particular style with dubstep, i feel im running round like a crazyman trying to get as much of it as possible.
this is why i find myself choosing dubstep over dnb at the minute.

thats the only possible way i ever compare dnb to dubstep.

Exactly......nice1

It might just be the mixes I've been downloading, but it seems alot of dubstep djs play largely the same selection of tunes, all shit by DMZ, Skream, Benga, Loefah blah blah blah. Nothing against them, I'm feeling most of the dubstep tunes I hear from the major producers.

Don't get me wrong, I love the sounds but to me it seems a lot more digging goes on (generally) with dnb DJs.

just my opinion