St. Patricks Day

[laurent__duval]

When are the United States going stop it's occupation of Native American land?

[slothrop]

When are the United States going stop it's occupation of Native American land?

Yes, exactly.

As of the Good Friday Agreement, the governments of the UK and Eire have agreed that the future national status of Northern Ireland is to be decided by the people of Northern Ireland - if they vote for a government that wants unification with Eire or complete independence then they've got it. However, reunificationists are currently in a distinct minority in NI and not even a large majority of Northern Irish Catholics. As colonial occupations go, that's a fairly soft touch. Like scspkr says, the situation in the North at the moment is of two communities working to live together and move beyond a troubled history, having people on the other side of the world shout simplistic slogans does very little to help that.

In the meantime, the colonisation of America took place well after the Plantation of Ulster and with considerably more genocidal tendencies, but the people who are living nicely off the profits of it seem to have a bit of a blindspot for that particular colonial land-grab.

[laurent__duval]

When are the United States going stop it's occupation of Native American land?

Yes, exactly.

As of the Good Friday Agreement, the governments of the UK and Eire have agreed that the future national status of Northern Ireland is to be decided by the people of Northern Ireland - if they vote for a government that wants unification with Eire or complete independence then they've got it. However, reunificationists are currently in a distinct minority in NI and not even a large majority of Northern Irish Catholics. As colonial occupations go, that's a fairly soft touch. Like scspkr says, the situation in the North at the moment is of two communities working to live together and move beyond a troubled history, having people on the other side of the world shout simplistic slogans does very little to help that.

In the meantime, the colonisation of America took place well after the Plantation of Ulster and with considerably more genocidal tendencies, but the people who are living nicely off the profits of it seem to have a bit of a blindspot for that particular colonial land-grab.

[wub]

Canteen is doing 'oirish' food today to celebrate;

- Steak & Guiness pie
- Leak & Potato frittatas
- Soup with soda bread

Good effort

[.onelove.]

When are the United States going stop it's occupation of Native American land?

Yes, exactly.

As of the Good Friday Agreement, the governments of the UK and Eire have agreed that the future national status of Northern Ireland is to be decided by the people of Northern Ireland - if they vote for a government that wants unification with Eire or complete independence then they've got it. However, reunificationists are currently in a distinct minority in NI and not even a large majority of Northern Irish Catholics. As colonial occupations go, that's a fairly soft touch. Like scspkr says, the situation in the North at the moment is of two communities working to live together and move beyond a troubled history, having people on the other side of the world shout simplistic slogans does very little to help that.

In the meantime, the colonisation of America took place well after the Plantation of Ulster and with considerably more genocidal tendencies, but the people who are living nicely off the profits of it seem to have a bit of a blindspot for that particular colonial land-grab.

And there's people who've never set foot into Ireland who'll tell you that the Northern Irish are not 'Irish', despite living almost living on that patch of land for almost 100 years.

Some people just want to provoke animosity and fake patriotism just because they have some very vague ancestral line that leads back to Ireland.

Fuck, I'm more Irish than most of those 'Irish Americans', born a Catholic and actual Irish grandparents but all that 'IRELAND FOR THE IRISH', 'FUCK THE ORANGE stnuc' sectarianism is fucking vile.

[gnome]

soda bread

Can this thread be about soda bread now?

[wub]

Some cervix in my office has changed his ring tone to the Pogues and left his phone SOMEWHERE NEAR ME BUT JUST TOO FAR AWAY TO FIND BEFORE IT STOPS RINGING.

[clifford_-]

Some cervix in my office has changed his ring tone to the Pogues and left his phone SOMEWHERE NEAR ME BUT JUST TOO FAR AWAY TO FIND BEFORE IT STOPS RINGING.

thats harsh. real harsh.

[kidshuffle]

Ive got scandanavian ancestry, but i dont call myself swedish...

Yeah, but the only thing Americans love more than being american, is their ancestry.

It'll be bloody Engladistahn if these bloody muslims get their she-ra law!!!

[alphacat]

I happen to be a Viking-American (by self designation.)

Wub: did you smash the phone yet? If not... what's the number so I can ring it for ya?

Who's drunk already?

[wub]

I happen to be a Viking-American (by self designation.)

Wub: did you smash the phone yet? If not... what's the number so I can ring it for ya?

Who's drunk already?

No, sadly.

Also looks like I'm going to have to stay late to catch up on a few things, so am missing the chance to go drinking with my missue and her sister.

[kidshuffle]

I happen to be a Viking-American (by self designation.)

Wub: did you smash the phone yet? If not... what's the number so I can ring it for ya?

Who's drunk already?

Viking American should be allowed on the census imo

[alphacat]

Viking American should be allowed on the census imo

I know! They're just discriminating against us for raping everybody's great [x15] grandmothers so long ago. Can't bygones be bygones? Look at the Swedes now - they don't rape any more (unless they're in black metal bands, and even then it's only each other and maybe the odd goat) ...they just make sensible cars & furniture FFS!



But on a related note: when I was a kid in Chicago, for official purposes like school paperwork there were basically 3 races you could put down: black, white, or 'oriental.' Latinos were considered white. And why is it that anybody with a drop of black blood in the U.S. is considered by most - black & white - to be effectively black?

Mysteries of the unknown...

Identity politics are so slippery. People treat 'em like they're the laws of physics but in reality they're so, So, SO subjective, fluid, and unreliable as a means of really measuring the quality of a person's character.

[scspkr99]

it's not that they are unreliable as a means of measuring the quality of a persons character it's more that they should never even be considered as a measure

[esfandyar]

it was an action to make aware the past history of the san patricio batallion's actions, the wrongs of colonialism against the irish and the indigenous here, and we wanted to tie them together in front of a predominately white audience to make them rethink their positions on people of color. thats about it. simple. i think the point and correlation we made was valid, and im gonna stop arguing about it now.

keep discussing st. patricks and all the giggling stnuc we will drink and eat with

[.onelove.]

And why is it that anybody with a drop of black blood in the U.S. is considered by most - black & white - to be effectively black?

Might date back to when anyone with a slightly darker skin toned was labeled 'Coloured'. In South Africa the 'Coloureds' got lumped with the 'Blacks' so I suppose they're going to identify more with them than with the whites that persecuted them.

Plus I think White-Black mixed race people associate themselves with 'Black culture' more anyway, if there is such a thing. I know plenty of my mixed raced mates will don an occasional Jamaican accent, despite being brought up solely by their white mum with no outside carribean influences.

Whole things stupid regardless tho, I agree.

[noam]

Viking American should be allowed on the census imo

I know! They're just discriminating against us for raping everybody's great [x15] grandmothers so long ago. Can't bygones be bygones? Look at the Swedes now - they don't rape any more (unless they're in black metal bands, and even then it's only each other and maybe the odd goat) ...they just make sensible cars & furniture FFS!

Times are changin bro

[honey-d]

Viking American should be allowed on the census imo

I know! They're just discriminating against us for raping everybody's great [x15] grandmothers so long ago. Can't bygones be bygones? Look at the Swedes now - they don't rape any more (unless they're in black metal bands, and even then it's only each other and maybe the odd goat) ...they just make sensible cars & furniture FFS!

Times are changin bro

As a person who's blood is like 90% scandinavian (I'm a healthy mix of Swedish and Norwegian ancestory) I can 100% say that we probably won't rape or pillage anyone.






nah just playin we're here to pillage your village

[64hz]

Canteen is doing 'oirish' food today to celebrate;

- Steak & Guiness pie
- Leak & Potato frittatas
- Soup with soda bread

Good effort

surely they should just make leak frittatas?

[mks]

This is an interesting POV that I've heard other Europeans say too. However, the romance of belonging to something much older than yourself is strong and as a country we are so very young: nobody identifies themselves here [yet] as "ethnically American." Most Americans have extraordinarily mixed backgrounds. For instance, 2 of my cousins are German, Chinese, Swedish, Cuban, and a tiny dash of Romanian Jew. Where else in the world would that happen all the time but America? There's no such thing as a pure anything (ethnically) these days save for the most isolated/inbred stone age holdouts. And yet... and yet people cling to these self-definitions for some reason.

Actually, nationalism is for suckers anyway imho.

A lot of Americans are total mutts, I myself have something like 6 different nationalities. We also like an excuse to party......