anyone here Copyright law savvy? $150,000 fine threat

[Dustwyrm]

I think what's important here is the potential for a undesirable outcome, no matter how unreasonable. Kilo, I would do as others suggest and just remake the piano notes in a similar, but different enough composition in order to avoid any possible bs. The band sounds like aholes anyways, you sure you even want to use their music You sure you even emailed the actual band members? Or was it possible just someone with an "Unofficial" fan-site.

[Kilo Graham]

Then do him a favour and enlighten him. I think everything he said was correct.

This stuff here. It's mostly just his arrogant attitude coupled with what amounts to no better than a layman's view.

There's a lot of mixed up shit on here that people must be crazy to believe. I mean I thought that everybody knew that it was illeagal to sample anything from a track.

There is legal sampling, so this is wrong.

It doesn't matter if its going out free or never even gonna get finished, its there.

There's a difference between illegal and "get your shit fucked up" illegal. It's not a crime, for one. It's a civil issue and it has to be worth the time to file the claim. If you're releasing something for free, it probably isn't.

So for as for people saying words like 'fact' then contradicting themselves its obvious they're just talking about stuff they know nothing about (I'm not trying to pull anyone down or be a dick but you shoudlnt tell someone somethings a fact when its not lol).

As for just playing the notes in or whatever 'because that's not covered by copyright' is more bullshit lol

On a practical standpoint of what's actually done varies like anything in life. Dr Dre and Eminem have been sued a few times for illeagal sample use as with some others on the hip hop scene. The Amenbreak was sample from an old record Amen Brother as I'm sure many of you already know and those guys to this day didn't receive any royalties from sample companies or artists but this was basically coz they didn't give a shit or quite possibly they didn't know about it which I'm sure could have been a different story if they were asked for permission.

They definitely know about it. It is copyrighted, in fact a second group of people even copyrighted it as well, which then sold it in sample packs billing it as original work.

There's many films and songs been sampled but the original guys might never hear anything about it. I've sampled vocals for bootleg remixes etc as im sure many have but I'm a million miles away from the original artist. You've made a big mistake by asking them as we know. So I would just simply change the sample for something original. I also think the fine is a loada bollocks lol seeing as you asked the band, the band don't even own the recording for the fuckin thing! Lol

So apparently changing the recording is no good, changing the notes is no good, what does he have to change to satisfy you? Because you just suggested he change it.

[wormcode]

Just shift one note over and act stupid when someone asks you like Vanilla Ice did with Under Pressure/Ice Ice Baby.

[goldengrime]

Then do him a favour and enlighten him. I think everything he said was correct.

This stuff here. It's mostly just his arrogant attitude coupled with what amounts to no better than a layman's view.

There's a lot of mixed up shit on here that people must be crazy to believe. I mean I thought that everybody knew that it was illeagal to sample anything from a track.

There is legal sampling, so this is wrong.

It doesn't matter if its going out free or never even gonna get finished, its there.

There's a difference between illegal and "get your shit fucked up" illegal. It's not a crime, for one. It's a civil issue and it has to be worth the time to file the claim. If you're releasing something for free, it probably isn't.

So for as for people saying words like 'fact' then contradicting themselves its obvious they're just talking about stuff they know nothing about (I'm not trying to pull anyone down or be a dick but you shoudlnt tell someone somethings a fact when its not lol).

As for just playing the notes in or whatever 'because that's not covered by copyright' is more bullshit lol

On a practical standpoint of what's actually done varies like anything in life. Dr Dre and Eminem have been sued a few times for illeagal sample use as with some others on the hip hop scene. The Amenbreak was sample from an old record Amen Brother as I'm sure many of you already know and those guys to this day didn't receive any royalties from sample companies or artists but this was basically coz they didn't give a shit or quite possibly they didn't know about it which I'm sure could have been a different story if they were asked for permission.

They definitely know about it. It is copyrighted, in fact a second group of people even copyrighted it as well, which then sold it in sample packs billing it as original work.

There's many films and songs been sampled but the original guys might never hear anything about it. I've sampled vocals for bootleg remixes etc as im sure many have but I'm a million miles away from the original artist. You've made a big mistake by asking them as we know. So I would just simply change the sample for something original. I also think the fine is a loada bollocks lol seeing as you asked the band, the band don't even own the recording for the fuckin thing! Lol

So apparently changing the recording is no good, changing the notes is no good, what does he have to change to satisfy you? Because you just suggested he change it.

So its just arrogance? Have you seen what you've replied with lol laymans view? Ok ill answer your lovely reply in a more grown up manner.

There is legal sampling yes that is correct but we aren't talking about that are we, so there's no need to do the "haha you just said dick when you said dictionary" bullshit, you know I'm talking about commercial track here so let's not go down that path.

You say I'm talking laymans but then you say that if its going out for free its probs not worth it etc. Well I was talking about the actual law here not what 'might happen'. Yes it is a civil matter which means its easier to be prosecuted as its not a criminal matter which is basically 'innocent till proven guilty'. Before you argue with me on this just atleast take a minute to look into it as there's a massive misconception on criminal and civil laws.

I'm not sure if your on about the amen loop here? But if you are, then yea I know its copyrighted that's why I mensioned it? I'm not sure what your point was but I was saying that its a copyright protected piece that's been sampled a shit load and still they have never been paid royalties or sued anyone.

When did I suggest changing the notes was no good? And why are you sound pissed off that I've added me 2cents?

I have attempted to clarify the parts where you wasn't sure. Please relax before you reply coz that never ends well does it.

[nowaysj]

Please relax before you reply coz that never ends well does it.

Don't want to get in between you two, no idea what is going on, but this is solid 24 karat jokes.

[Sparxy]

So yeah I read this thread this morning, then received this month's copy of Computer Music in the post. Made me laugh

[eyeatus]

MIDI the melody

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[koncide]

Sup guys

im having a bit of a copyright problem with my latest tune.

I used a sample of a piano from a popular goth band, actuley it was pretty much the whole melody. i used it for the intro for a tune (which i didnt change much) and for after the tune drops where i went crazy with it making it arpeggiated and added loads of distortion it it.

probley one of the best tunes i made so far, so i wanted it feature it on my first LP.

anyway, i finished the tune, and just out of curiosity/ to be on the safe side, i emailed the band and asked them if it was ok for me to use the sample. to which they replyed a with a quite nasty email telling me to remove the track from my soundcloud and never put it anywhere online again, or face a $150,000 fine. this was promiced to me by one of the band members unless i paid a $5000 licincing fee... i basicaly told em im skint and fuck that.

so now im stuck with a sick tune that i cant even give out for free..

anyway, ive heard nuff tunes where people sample bits from films, other artists, etc... for fuck sake even the amen break has been used by countless producers over the years.... so how do they not face fines, do they get permission? or pay the licincing fees?? i think not.

so is there a way round this? does anyone know enough about copyright & such to offer me some good advice?

im thinkin now i shouldent of even asked, and they would prob never be none the wiser.

Also my mate was on about something in the news a while back that make it ok for us in the UK to use samples & stuff found on youtube videos in our productions... i didnt see it and he cant remember esactly, does anyone kno anything about this??

I presume this band is American if we're talking $

I'd just release the track mate. Give it a bit of time, and then go for it. I doubt a Goth band from the US is very much in the know about happenings in the UK bass scene.

[pete_bubonic]

Ive had two run ins with copyrights and alike.

1. stole a vocal off something, asked the band, they asked for some reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeediculous fee. Rerecorded the vocal with a singer, used it and the band had to deal with it.

2. had a very small man from the most famous dubstep radio station threaten to come and beat me up over something an artist on the label had used. told to go fuck himself. MAKING FRIENDS YO. Couldnt sell the tune digitally which was very annoying.

Use everything, don't give a shit about anything, sample whatever.

[Sparxy]

Ive had two run ins with copyrights and alike.

1. stole a vocal off something, asked the band, they asked for some reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeediculous fee. Rerecorded the vocal with a singer, used it and the band had to deal with it.

2. had a very small man from the most famous dubstep radio station threaten to come and beat me up over something an artist on the label had used. told to go fuck himself. MAKING FRIENDS YO. Couldnt sell the tune digitally which was very annoying.

Use everything, don't give a shit about anything, sample whatever.

Yeah, this really. Sampling and stealing shit is a cornerstone of music production

[pete_bubonic]

Ive had two run ins with copyrights and alike.

1. stole a vocal off something, asked the band, they asked for some reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeediculous fee. Rerecorded the vocal with a singer, used it and the band had to deal with it.

2. had a very small man from the most famous dubstep radio station threaten to come and beat me up over something an artist on the label had used. told to go fuck himself. MAKING FRIENDS YO. Couldnt sell the tune digitally which was very annoying.

Use everything, don't give a shit about anything, sample whatever.

Yeah, this really. Sampling and stealing shit is a cornerstone of music production

Damn straight!

[nowaysj]

Has anyone mentioned a blanket party to resolve this situation? Blanket party fixes most problems.