this forum is full of shitty threads today

[Huts]

system music(sine) vs everything else(sine w/ harmonics, squares, reeses). Where is your music being heard?

[mikeyp]

system music(sine) vs everything else(sine w/ harmonics, squares, reeses). Where is your music being heard?

not sure if you're asking me to put me down saying i don't know what i'm talking about because my shit isn't being played on big systems or if you're asking how i believe i have a good understanding of it

[Huts]

not directing it at you, just saying in general if you're stuffs going to be heard by you or anyone else on a system theres no need for fucking with your sub because you're just taking away its power. If your tunes are strictly soundcloud/youtube bits then ya making sure your sub can be heard is important

[Sonika]

not directing it at you, just saying in general if you're stuffs going to be heard by you or anyone else on a system theres no need for fucking with your sub because you're just taking away its power. If your tunes are strictly soundcloud/youtube bits then ya making sure your sub can be heard is important

But someone like Distance is making music that has the purpose to rattle the floor when played on a full system


And yet he still adds a bit of resonance and distortion to make it punch a bit more in cans or on car speakers

See my point?

[mikeyp]

not directing it at you, just saying in general if you're stuffs going to be heard by you or anyone else on a system theres no need for fucking with your sub because you're just taking away its power. If your tunes are strictly soundcloud/youtube bits then ya making sure your sub can be heard is important

oh, yeah. my bad for that but yeah. like i said if you don't care and you just make it for yourself to listen to or whatever do what you please, but if you have any aspiration at all of doing bigger things with your music, do it the most powerful way.

[mikeyp]

not directing it at you, just saying in general if you're stuffs going to be heard by you or anyone else on a system theres no need for fucking with your sub because you're just taking away its power. If your tunes are strictly soundcloud/youtube bits then ya making sure your sub can be heard is important

But someone like Distance is making music that has the purpose to rattle the floor when played on a full system


And yet he still adds a bit of resonance and distortion to make it punch a bit more in cans or on car speakers

See my point?

i'd rather have less sub for the average joe listening on his headphones or in his car and blow the roof off the place live than vice versa

[mikeyp]

maybe he's found a nice balance, that's cool. and he's successful and it works for him. but this is science we're talking about here.

[Sonika]

maybe he's found a nice balance, that's cool. and he's successful and it works for him. but this is science we're talking about here.

Yup
But it also blew the fucking roof off on the system I heard it on, heaviest tune of the night. So again, I think it maintains the bass power

[Huts]

Ya basically what mikey said. Wether a big name is doing it or not doesn't really make a difference. He's sacrificing power so the sub can be audible. If that's what you're after than by all means do it up. But if you are going strictly for power, a pure sine is all you need

[mikeyp]

maybe he's found a nice balance, that's cool. and he's successful and it works for him. but this is science we're talking about here.

Yup
But it also blew the fucking roof off on the system I heard it on, heaviest tune of the night. So again, I think it maintains the bass power

i'm sure it did, and i'm not saying it's not possible to do so. but the absolute strongest waveform you can use to create a physical presence (go back to my very first post about all of this) is a sine wave. a modern talking wavetable could blow the roof off a place with enough subs. doesn't mean it's the best way to do it.
and when you start to fuck with anything but a sine, you lose that presence and that feel that i'm talking about. i know you're pretty knowledgeable for your age but i've seen a huge variety of styles on huge festival sized systems and the guys who i know have the same understanding of sub bass as i do were the strongest. a real sub is the most mind blowing thing to me when it comes to music, as simple as it is. it's a physical force, not a sound at ALL.

[mikeyp]

just remember, when it comes to making music digitally the way we do, everything has to fit into a box. when you have more of something, something else MUST have less.
adding anything to your sub is just taking away from the pureness of it.

[Immerse]

Spent the whole day making this beat in my sig. Comin out good. Once again proving myself as every beat I make is better than the last. Very Inspirational.

that's the favorite i've heard of yours, good stuff chad

last night i was driving with some friends and i played a couple of my songs. they couldn't believe it was me, they loved em. great feeling

isnt that the best? the "YOU MADE THIS?" is the always inspiring. @ Chad, I love the feeling that you know you're improving with each and every track you make. It really keeps me interested

[ChadDub]

The tune in my sig now is a different one than the one I was talking about the other day. The tune in my sig now is now the best beat I've made so far imo. I'm not gonna lie, I did BEAUTIFULLY on the mixdown imo.

But yeah, I don't finish something if I don't think it's better than the last thing I finished. So I'm always getting better.

It's crazy because I made that beat in about 30 hours total elapsed time. I started it one day at noon, and finished it the next day at around 8PM. When I first started I could never had made something like that in that short time. I always knew I would be able to eventually, because I believe in myself, but I'm just observing the great increase in my skill since last year.

[Augment]

Spent the whole day making this beat in my sig. Comin out good. Once again proving myself as every beat I make is better than the last. Very Inspirational.

that's the favorite i've heard of yours, good stuff chad

last night i was driving with some friends and i played a couple of my songs. they couldn't believe it was me, they loved em. great feeling

isnt that the best? the "YOU MADE THIS?" is the always inspiring. @ Chad, I love the feeling that you know you're improving with each and every track you make. It really keeps me interested

The feeling when your friends enjoy your music is so nice and inspiring. Alot of people in my class have downloaded the tune in my sig now, and they say they like it. Such a good feeling

[ChadDub]

That song in your sig is TIGHT, dude.

Yeah, people at my school liked the very first song I made, which is this:

http://soundcloud.com/chad-kirk/rap-is-hard-son

It's not good production or anything, it's just funny. It took me about 3 months to make too.

[Sonika]

just remember, when it comes to making music digitally the way we do, everything has to fit into a box. when you have more of something, something else MUST have less.
adding anything to your sub is just taking away from the pureness of it.

hmmm interesting way of thinking about it. I'll mess with some straight sines in some stuff, see how it works out - I dunno, it just almost seems TOO simple to just use a straight up sine wave, but I see your point!


@Immerse - where ya been man? Good to see you back on the forum, you were away for like a month!

[press]

how well your mixing your tune as a whole is infinitely more inportant than wether or not the sub is pure sine or not. too many poeple getting hung up on that recently imo. its true sines gonna give you the cleanest most powerful sub but often you can make plenty powerful bass with out one. One instance i can think of where using a sine may be more trouble than its worth is say you have a resampled bass...saw bass, reece maybe, or even just a highly modulated bassline of any kind, the way your resampling and modulating the entire sound can make the groove in the sub (and of course your mids) change and perhaps that is what your likeing about the sound....to go in an try to replicate that modulation with a sine layer and glue it all back with your whole sound can often lead in my experience to a less ideal bassline as a whole and more often than not not worth the time it would take to do it than just make the original modularted saw bass work. so i suggest use what sounds good, mix it well and work from there, dont use the sine just because you think its the only way to make a good sub cuz its not.

[nowaysj]

it just almost seems TOO simple to just use a straight up sine wave

Sometimes it is more fun to twiddle knobs and setup weird fx chains than produce a quality sound, I know from experience.

[Sonika]

it just almost seems TOO simple to just use a straight up sine wave

Sometimes it is more fun to twiddle knobs and setup weird fx chains than produce a quality sound, I know from experience.

real talk

[nowaysj]

Press, if I'm understanding you, one of the things I've done in that situation is duplicate the synth all the automation/midi, everything, and then switch the osc to sine. One way of gluing things after the fact that works pretty well.

Also to reiterate, for no reason at all, that taking control of the sub's envelope, independent of your mid bass, gives you a whole new lever into the swing/dynamic of your sound. Anyway, whatevers.