Ideas That You Feel Are Ready For Retirement

[PinUp]

Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.

Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.

[DiegoSapiens]

god very is important religion not always, i hate that someone tells you what you have t believe

[kay]

why does age demand respect? I have the same amount of respect for everyone when I meet them, then they can gain it or lose it based on my interactions with them.

Fully agree with this, especially having grown up in a culture where the concept of "respect your elders" is utterly ingrained. It's complete and utter bollocks to respect someone just because they're old. Plenty of elderly people are assholes and this cultural bent simply lets them get away with shit. I'll treat everyone with a basic level of courteous respect, it's up to them to earn more.

Similarly, automatic respect for your superiors at work or community leaders.

Respect has to be earned.

[kay]

At the moment I feel strongly about echoing the sentiments of Kate Mill's response which I labelled as one of my favorites in the original post (Only "scientists" can do science) and expanding on it a bit more to focus the understanding of science. In particular, I take issue with the tendency to keep a lot of current scientific knowledge within circles of privileged academics with doctorates who tend to use overly complicated technical language to obscure ideas that would otherwise be easily accessible to anyone. ... However, the amount of literature I've read while doing work for uni which is just completely concealed by over-the-top vocabulary is ridiculous and screams out "bow before my intellect you peasant!" ... Science really excites me and I enjoy sharing that excitement so I'm easily annoyed by those who contribute nothing to public understanding of science while appearing to go out of their way (for all I know, they may not even do it consciously) to restrict knowledge in such an unnecessary way in order to be...well, euphoric stnuc . I can really understand how people are put off by this and wind up completely disinterested.

From my experience, a lot of scientific literature is impenetrable not by design or because the academics want to keep the knowledge within their rarefied domains. It's more due to them having poor communication skills and a failure to appreciate that the purpose of publishing is to disseminate knowledge to everyone. Oftentimes they may not be writing in their first language either. And in some cases, writing quality can be so poor that even those skilled in a given field can find it difficult to work out what is being said.

There's been a push over the last couple years to try to make scientific writing more accessible. It's usually also helped by the fact that the better communicators are also usually the ones who are able to get funding more easily simply because they're the ones that the funding bodies can understand.

Another one is the idea that humans are superior to all other species on the planet. I think this may partly stem from the idea that many people still seem to have that natural selection works in a linear way working consciously with a specific ultimate objective in mind as to the perfect organism where we are the closest things to perfection while all other species alive today are less developed/less advanced rungs on the ladder below us. I don't think that's really an issue within academic discourse anymore but I still see it as very common among the general public. I am particularly bothered when the attitude of human superiority reaches the point where any notion of us being related to other species causes disgust and even despair in people (for example, the idea that there can be no purpose to life if you share dna with other species) and, in the extreme, I doubt that letting this go unchallenged helps much when it comes to animal abuse and trying to combat the attitude that other animals are mindless creatures here for us to do with as we please.

Fully agree

[bennyfroobs]

Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.

Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.

its shit for a lot of people in the developing world. condoms, christianity, africa? no???

im sure they all could think of plenty of things to live for over religion. friends, family???

[Perfecture]

Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.

Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.

Fair, but religion has done more bad than it has good imo.
Yeah believing something to keep you positive about life is good and all but it's just not cool when people are using a 'made up story' to brainwash generation after generation.

also you don't see atheists, nihilists or agnostics etc standing outside abortion clinics telling girls they are going to hell. it really angers me when people do that, like they have any fucking right to tell anyone what to do. why is no one drop kickin these mother fuckers???

[magma]

Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.

Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.

Fair, but religion has done more bad than it has good imo.
Yeah believing something to keep you positive about life is good and all but it's just not cool when people are using a 'made up story' to brainwash generation after generation.

What about when they do it with Communism (Soviet states banned religion in favour of political indoctrination)? Or "Anti-Terrorism" or "Spreading Freedom"? What about justifying a Holocaust based on corrupted Darwinism? What about.... etc.

People can and will justify war and subjugation with whatever's available. Religion's a red herring.

[nowaysj]

If every murder, and every war was religiously motivated, it is still debatable whether religion has done more harm than good.

M:agree.

[Perfecture]

Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.

Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.

Fair, but religion has done more bad than it has good imo.
Yeah believing something to keep you positive about life is good and all but it's just not cool when people are using a 'made up story' to brainwash generation after generation.

What about when they do it with Communism (Soviet states banned religion in favour of political indoctrination)? Or "Anti-Terrorism" or "Spreading Freedom"? What about justifying a Holocaust based on corrupted Darwinism? What about.... etc.

People can and will justify war and subjugation with whatever's available. Religion's a red herring.

Fair points mate,

I am as much against polotics as I am religion. I personally don't believe in anything tbh, science or religion. Too much time is spent in peoples lives making choices based on what they believe whether religion or science. I think it's best to make choices on what makes you happy and not just cause the "good lord would want me to"

p.s. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em

[Riddles]

I would disagree that it does more harm than good. The majority of the world is religious, and while there is a lot of bad caused by religion there is a lot of everyday good that doesn't get reported is evident everywhere.

How many charities are religion based? How many churches, mosques etc provide food and clothes and other services to homeless and poor people?

At my uni and many around the country, the religious societies did some of the best work for other students, whether its walking people home from nights at the SU, free tea and coffee on cold days or cooking cheese toasties for people and bringing them to their houses. Small things, but I guess it helps people out

Just because you see tnucs in the papers who are religious doesn't make all religion bad, and even if there have been wars and atrocities over religion, religion is a powerful tool for good in this world too imo.

[Riddles]

and no im not disputing that the majority of war is religion based (although i feel quite a lot use it as a scapegoat rather than announcing the real reason) I just feel people need perspective. Islam and Christianity make up nearly 4 billion people. If it was all bad the world would be in a much worse place

[Pedro Sánchez]

. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em

You can stay for tea.

[Forum]

. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em

You can stay for tea.

Which holy text has the best pictures?

[Perfecture]

. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em

You can stay for tea.

It's nice to hear someone else say tea and not dinner.

[Pedro Sánchez]

. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em

You can stay for tea.

It's nice to hear someone else say tea and not dinner.

It's was an ironic statement, you managed to get a thread onto the gassing of Jewish people within record time.

[magma]

. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em

You can stay for tea.

Which holy text has the best pictures?

The Lindisfarne Gospels.

[Perfecture]

. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em

You can stay for tea.

It's nice to hear someone else say tea and not dinner.

It's was an ironic statement, you managed to get a thread onto the gassing of Jewish people within record time.

right...................

Look, can I come round for tea or not??

[hubb]

'Ecce homo' is THE best picture though.

Also there's probably one where Ganesha rolls a spliff

[m8son666]

If it wasn't for religion the human race would not be as advanced as it is today.

[hubb]

Vehicles with more than one wheel!

Wasteful squandering