Why nothings gonna change because of obama

[nousd]

see, you just confirmed me earlier: emotional reactions, personal standpoints, statements with no support... ah, and more referrals to the opponent's person than his ideas. avoiding questions...

I'm not trying to prove anything; expressing my opinion. My experience & outlook has me concerned about those that believe as you do:

the world is shit

because then you are justified treating it & its inhabitants, including the humans who lead, like shit.

I agree scepticism is healthy...could be employed more often for the benefit of those who are convinced of anything. I'll change my mind about this if I realize that it makes me unhappy.

btwThis is red.

[alien pimp]

the world is shit

because then you are justified treating it & its inhabitants, including the humans who lead, like shit.

naaah, the pandas are guilty

[nousd]

pandas cop the bad
and get on with the good like most of us
including you I suspect
despite your outlook.
If so, more power to you
must be hard trying to make things better
when you're convinced that things are faecal/farcical.


I see it as ingratitude...I promise I'll re-examine that cos it sounds ugly.
May well be some residual kharma there for me.
But, meanwhile, the Universe conspires to have you think that it is shit.
Either you're flogging t-shirts or that's what you're basically saying imo.
It's about time you came clean...what is your motive Pimp?
Why is it that you're prepared to denigrate holus bolus those few people
who stand up to manifest our desires
even if it is just an aspiration?
You sour tnuc
go and grovel at the feet of aspersion.
Emotional...my fuckn oath you lowlife.
But that doesn't mean warmongering or hatred.
It means compassion
particularly for the cold, twisted fuck that I can be
and you will be
unless you change your mind.

Mutually.

[alien pimp]

nice to have a "poem" and nice words like "tnuc" dedicated to me, but i'm totally offtopic and irrelevant
which again comes along the predictable nature that i described earlier for the victims of mass brainwashings

i think you did your share of confirming my points, time for something fresh

[nousd]

mutual agreement on that...'s hope yet.

[whygohome10]

yeh you really don't know anything about the world until you watch some nutcase on youtube jabber nonesense at you.

truth

[alien pimp]

yeh you really don't know anything about the world until you watch some nutcase on youtube jabber nonesense at you.

truth

such a general sentence is true from whatever point of view you may have
like saying is bad to listen to the bad guyz

so it brings in nothing.

saying who are the bad boyz and why might contribute something

don't forget youtube is full of both obama and zeitgeist

[tappy tippon]

I would just like to state that I beliee the following to be true...

* 9/11 was planned and carried out by the US government as a reason to move millitary forces into the middle east and secure oil piplines through afganistan, to get Sadam out of power who threatened the entire US economy by trading oil in euros rather than dollars and to put a large scale invasion force on the doorstep of Iran as a prelude to invading their country (again) and stealing their oil

* Global warming is not caused by man made Co2 but is a natural occurence, the faulse info that it is man made is being used to stop industrial growth in third world countries and to scam money out of the western populations through carbon taxes

* The president of the USA and the priminister of the UK are put into power by and are both completely subserviant to an elite of world bankers and money movers, and this goes for France, the Netherlands, Russia and a number of other powerfull countries

* Every significant war in the last 100 years has been manufactured by the banks to put countries into debt and therefor their pocket while ridding the world of excess population

* We are moving towards a 1 world government by stealth, 80% of our laws now come from the european union rendering our democracy in the UK a farce and this will only continue to get worse. Europe (including Russia), America, Canada and Mexico are already under 1 ruling body behind the scenes

* The financial crisis currently facing the world is a manufactured event by this ruling body in order to increase the rate at which money is moving from the hands of the people into the hands of the major banks. It is also a way to crash the £ and the $ through the floor so the UK will have to adopt the euro and the USA will have to adopt the Amero if they wish to survive econimicly


Im not gonna back those claims up by dragging out the million and 1 documentries, news paper articles and other sources of information widely available that have led me to this conclusion. Nor do I wish to enter into any form of debate on any of those issues in this thread as it is pointless, the majority of people believe conspiracy theories to be nonsense and will do anythign to defend their idea of how our world really works. I just wanna add this post so that the one dude, who from where Im standing seems to be talking sense in this thread, doesnt feel like hes the only person who sees these things going on around him.

The new world order is coming for everyone and wont stop untill the earth is united under 1 facist dictatorship.

Feel free to flame all u want, but thats my opinion.

I think everybody ought to take some of these issues a little more seriously, i think the fact that most people aren't is testimony to the fact we seem to have been programmed out of seeking the truth and a genuine understanding of the things happening around us. most people just seem to accept the authority as the truth instead of the other way around.

[adikt]

about the conspiracy thing: you guys seen the episode of South Park where the kids figure out that the government really had nothing to do with 9/11, but they like to convince theorists they COULD have been involved, just so that they try vainly to convince everyone else so everyone else is left trying to decide if the government has that much power or not? Fucking brilliant.

To some extent, YES...this is exactly what is going on. But to add a whole other twist(its a twist!)...there are people pulling strings. However, the strings are not as strong as they would have us believe. Look at the history of the Freemasons. They fucking OWN the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Not to mention have been involved in every single presidential race the US has ever had.

But do they have control over our THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS...fuck no. But damn do they want us to believe they do!



A (black) friend & I(white) had a conversation the other day about HipHop. Even the brightest MCs still bring up race. But see, that is what those in power WANT! They want us to focus on color instead of PERSON. Sure, some white people are fucking biggots whose families traded slaves. But guess what!? Are you black? Did you come from Africa, Jamaica, S America, UK? Then YOUR families traded slaves too! There were no white people in ancient egypt. Thats right, even jesus. We(human beings!) are ALL responsible for what has happened in the past. We ALL have to work together to make this world a better place. All colors, races, sexes, countries, social classes, genres of music, forms of art...



Until the pledge says 'One Planet, under the Human Spirit'...i will never recite.

May our children grow up in a different world of open minds, peace & humanity.

[alien pimp]

But do they have control over our THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS...fuck no. But damn do they want us to believe they do!

How do you know?
Judging by this topic and most similar debates, most of the people seem to intentionally avoid rational approaches and engage only in emotional rhetorics. that's not in their benefit and humans are designed to act in their benefit. If not them being manipulated since ever by churches, schools, media and shit, what causes this anomaly?
Plus a lot of university teachers in USA complain about the exam standards being lowered lately to the point where it is reasonable to think of a national threat.
stuff like that...

[nousd]

I thought you meant it when you wrote:

time for something fresh

.
Apparently not.
Find it interesting that whilst you want people to study what you've written & debate your points (otherwise they are not rational) you won't consider your belief system could be irrational and your own defence of it emotional.
You won't acknowledge when I write that I have been there, done that & moved on because I felt disempowered and frustrated...it was doing me harm.
That's why this IS personal...not just about supposed facts (which are, afterall, totally manipulated according to your view) ...it's about your motive, your history, it's about why you believe.
So, please don't keep giving me the look-at-the-facts line. I have. I recognize connections & manipulations but I don't believe in the big conspiracy. I see people left in that plight as needing a reality check for their own wellbeing.
That's why I taunt you...to elicit something other than the mechanistic responses you give. They seem far more redolent of brainwashing than my spontenaiety.
How about some answers?

PS I suspect English is your second language. If so, maybe I'm expecting a bit much. btw, it's not poetry.

[alien pimp]

symptomatic how you turned this:

i think you did your share of confirming my points, time for something fresh

into this backwards shit:

I thought you meant it when you wrote:

time for something fresh

.
Apparently not.

Find it interesting that whilst you want people to study what you've written & debate your points

how can you contradict me without reading me??
And they are not points, but logical consequences of the presented premises.

(otherwise they are not rational)

Proved by what?

you won't consider your belief system could be irrational and your own defence of it emotional.

What proves I should?

You won't acknowledge when I write that I have been there, done that & moved on because I felt disempowered and frustrated...it was doing me harm.
That's why this IS personal...not just about supposed facts (which are, afterall, totally manipulated according to your view) ...it's about your motive, your history, it's about why you believe.

What you are telling here is that you choose a point of view because it was more comfortable, not closer to the truth, do you realise that?

PS I suspect English is your second language. If so, maybe I'm expecting a bit much.

Location gave me up?

btw, it's not poetry.

that's why i wrote "poem" with quotation marks

So, please don't keep giving me the look-at-the-facts line. I have. I recognize connections & manipulations but I don't believe in the big conspiracy. I see people left in that plight as needing a reality check for their own wellbeing.
That's why I taunt you...to elicit something other than the mechanistic responses you give. They seem far more redolent of brainwashing than my spontenaiety.
How about some answers?

you've just got a fair share of answers and qualified for getting ignored, cuz it's getting ridiculous this level of conversation!

[legend4ry]

Why is this thread still going?

Bit obviously debate just don't work in the SNH.

[nousd]

I disagree Legend.
Whilst we interact, however reluctantly,
there's a chance for reconciliation.

Pimp, I didn't presume that just because y're posting from Espagne that you weren't a septic
You could be a Spaniard disillusioned with yr involvement in Iraq & the Madrid train bombing or a yank escaping your Amerikan hell fr all i know.
No, it was some of yr expressions.

But now you are uncomforable I sense.
And perhaps anal, judging by responses above.
I suggest that yu use that discomfort to question yr mindset.

I know that it will be hard to believe,
but I am wishing yu the best
cos i can sense the disappointed idealist in you
but I may be wrong cos I'm not infallible.
So as some say on here: Namaste.

[alien pimp]

Why is this thread still going?

Bit obviously debate just don't work in the SNH.

just tried to be nice and respect my own standards about substantiating my claims in a debate and wanted to provoke others that share my taste for accurate analysis to contribute, i've learned many things from cool people in similar debates, but i guess you knew more than i do, i just had to experience it with some guys who can't even read and understand short sentences



i guess this topic's down the drain and better be left that way!

[legend4ry]

What I said wasn't directed at anyone, its just anything any politics, religion or conspiracy just turns into a shambles in the SNH... But people persist in wanting to talk about... Seems a bit pointless to me cause it always ends up in 2-3 people just ranting on, posting essays for a few weeks until another topic on politics, religion or a conspiracy pops up.
You know, its not wise to touch a electric fence twice, let alone piss on it.

No ones ever right or wrong in these sort of discussions and sometimes it just turns into hostility, random bantering to help people get through their daily graft in the office.

More Youtube link threads in 09!

[kins83]

I dunno, that conversation between SD5 and Pimple seemed fairly debatey.

But if it's not working out Pimple, might I suggest you go and speak to other, 'enlightened' types. Clearly you grow tired of the brainwashed dullards.

And Chris, I'd have to say I enjoy the more essay based topics. Although that probably is just because I can't acces you tube from work.

[alien pimp]

i see you like to have cheap fun watching this and you do your share of stirring shit.
but you would do a better job if you could read and see my sources are nothing like you pretend when you try to discredit them, here sources discredit you.
therefore yeah i add you to the spambot list and you won't see more fun from me

while with a smarter approach from you we could've had long days of fun and learning here

let it go guyz, sorry you need to do a bit more effort for good fun these days!

[kins83]

I'm pretty sure that we both irritate the fuck out of each other with our blinker-wearing. Each party feels that they are banging their heads against the wall saying "Why do they believe this nutter?"/"Why can't they see what's right infront of them?".

I fear that this is the way it shall stay, as my beliefs aren't shaking and nor are yours.