The SNH Football thread

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You're talking about games as successes over a 37 year career,

Yeah, if you ignore most of my other points.

What about him being pelted by coins by Inter fans who were in open revolt at his management, what about him leaving a recent league winning team at the bottom of the league in Blackburn and what about his management of Liverpool which had him in the job 6 months.

I didn't mention those, because I'm talking about his examples of overachieving, which I feel is the only way England are going to win anything anytime soon.

You don't mention that he was pelted with coins by Inter fans at another European final he'd got his team to (that they lost on penalties)? Before he arrived at Inter, they finished 13th and 6th, under him they finished 7th and 3rd, and that was with a team devoid of the stars that would come in later years. The fact they got him back as a caretaker manager a few years later shows that they must not have thought that badly of him.

He qualified for the UEFA cup with Blackburn in his first season, but yep, fair enough, he left next year when they were bottom.

I mentioned his time with Liverpool earlier. He didn't have the backing of fans from the beginning, and he left them around mid-table, as I mentioned above, I genuinely think that with the squad they have, Liverpool would be lucky to finish anywhere higher than that group of teams that seems to float around 8th to 13th.

Way I see it, England are a sort of Fulham of the international stage. They might always be at the table with the big boys, but fucked if they're ever gonna win the league.

I didn't ignore the other points I referred to the Fulham finishing 7th not being as spectacular as suggested. The other stuff I just don't think is important, the fact that the Swiss were ranked 3rd correlates to Liverpool being ranked #1 team in Europe based on the UEFA co-efficient in 2007 despite the fact we hadn't won a domestic champtionship in 16 years.

As for his success at West Brom the first year they remained in the league is irrelevant he wasn't managing them, the second year they were not in the relegation positions before he joined them He did make it clear he wasn't able to guarantee they'd remain in the top flight despite them being relatively safe when he took over. This season he's done ok his results in Scandanavia were 20 years ago.

He left Liverpool in 15th position after he signed Paul Konchesky, and Christian Poulson much to the amusement of Juve fans who are still rejocing that they got 5m for him. None of the outfield signings made under him at Liverpool remain 18 months later.

It's scant acheivement in 37 years of management. It wasn't that he didn't have the backing of Liverpool fans from the off but he lost it really quickly when he set the team up to get battered by Manchester City, he's a fraudI've watched him blame everyone for his own failings bar himself. Now I'm entirely indifferent to international football so don't really have an interest in how he does but he's going to find far more adverse press with England than he did with Liverpool.

Again it shows the stupidity of having an English manager top the criteria for the appointment

So your a Liverpool fan? Makes sense why you don't like him now.

[Mehlovich]

I don't give a fuck who wins... Gotta admire City a bit for having every duche in football on one the same team though

when did they sign Terry?

I bet they'll get him after the season, he'd fit perfectly!
Maybe Di Canio and Joey Barton too

[scspkr99]

So your a Liverpool fan? Makes sense why you don't like him now.

because I have experience of him managing a team that I support yeah

[Forum]

So your a Liverpool fan? Makes sense why you don't like him now.

because I have experience of him managing a team that I support yeah

Just out of interest, what are your thoughts on the excellent team King Kenny has put together?

[PinUp]

So your a Liverpool fan? Makes sense why you don't like him now.

because I have experience of him managing a team that I support yeah

I think he just didn't suit liverpool as a club. At west brom we love him, very sad to see him go really, maybe we can have Di Matteo back

[scspkr99]

Just out of interest, what are your thoughts on the excellent team King Kenny has put together?

if you want an honest answer you're probably better off asking a non weighted question if you want to get a rise out of me you're probably best directing your attention elsewhere

[scspkr99]

I think he just didn't suit liverpool as a club. At west brom we love him, very sad to see him go really, maybe we can have Di Matteo back

I think Di Matteo was trying to do good stuff with West Brom but Hodgson has done well there. My issue is not with the fact that Hodgson has been given the job, I'm largely indifferent to international football so don't really care, my issue is how the Press and FA have managed to make being English a condition despite the records of recent English Managers being worse than their non English counterparts while in the Englad job

[PinUp]

I think he just didn't suit liverpool as a club. At west brom we love him, very sad to see him go really, maybe we can have Di Matteo back

I think Di Matteo was trying to do good stuff with West Brom but Hodgson has done well there. My issue is not with the fact that Hodgson has been given the job, I'm largely indifferent to international football so don't really care, my issue is how the Press and FA have managed to make being English a condition despite the records of recent English Managers being worse than their non English counterparts while in the Englad job

I get what you're saying. I think the FA crumble under pressure from the press though, once all the tabloids say they want an englishman for the job the FA set about pleasing them regardless of how it may effect the team.

[Forum]

Just out of interest, what are your thoughts on the excellent team King Kenny has put together?

if you want an honest answer you're probably better off asking a non weighted question if you want to get a rise out of me you're probably best directing your attention elsewhere

Not looking for a rise, just interested to know whether he's still immune to criticism from Liverpool fans because of his legendary status

[scspkr99]

Not looking for a rise, just interested to know whether he's still immune to criticism from Liverpool fans because of his legendary status

Don't think anyone is or should be immune from criticism. My point would always be that with Dalglish the criticism, from Liverpool fans, should be expressed respectfully. This is a man who more than any other man alive has given most to Liverpool football club, that deserves respect.

From a footballing perspective this league campaign has been largely shite, the table doesn't lie and we haven't been good enough, there's been good performances with poor results but too frequently for it to be accidental. However we could finish the season with 2 cups having not won any silverware for 6 seasons so I'll take that and then see what happens next season.

[garethom]

I think he just didn't suit liverpool as a club. At west brom we love him, very sad to see him go really, maybe we can have Di Matteo back

I think Di Matteo was trying to do good stuff with West Brom but Hodgson has done well there. My issue is not with the fact that Hodgson has been given the job, I'm largely indifferent to international football so don't really care, my issue is how the Press and FA have managed to make being English a condition despite the records of recent English Managers being worse than their non English counterparts while in the Englad job

I get what you're saying. I think the FA crumble under pressure from the press though, once all the tabloids say they want an englishman for the job the FA set about pleasing them regardless of how it may effect the team.

I do think that national football should be about representing the best of the nation at the given time, players, coaches, physios, managers, scouts. It's almost like, what's the point? If the guy in charge of the players is an Italian, what's the point? Where does it stop? If we can have a Spanish manager, why not get some Spanish players? Understand that probably nobody here will agree with me, but I think it devalues the whole affair.

[Forum]

I think he just didn't suit liverpool as a club. At west brom we love him, very sad to see him go really, maybe we can have Di Matteo back

I think Di Matteo was trying to do good stuff with West Brom but Hodgson has done well there. My issue is not with the fact that Hodgson has been given the job, I'm largely indifferent to international football so don't really care, my issue is how the Press and FA have managed to make being English a condition despite the records of recent English Managers being worse than their non English counterparts while in the Englad job

I get what you're saying. I think the FA crumble under pressure from the press though, once all the tabloids say they want an englishman for the job the FA set about pleasing them regardless of how it may effect the team.

I do think that national football should be about representing the best of the nation at the given time, players, coaches, physios, managers, scouts. It's almost like, what's the point? If the guy in charge of the players is an Italian, what's the point? Where does it stop? If we can have a Spanish manager, why not get some Spanish players? Understand that probably nobody here will agree with me, but I think it devalues the whole affair.

I still can't make my mind up on that but if you're going to go for a foreigner at least get someone that can speak English, that was pathetic with Capello

[magma]

Even as a wishy-washy no-borders hippified liberal, I have to say I think that International coaches should come from the country they're representing. If the squad has to have a passport, then so should the guy telling them how to play.

I like Hodgson, but I reckon there might be more to the Harry situation than meets the eye. He's loved by the nation having been through various corruption scandals, relegation fights and occasional moments of glory... I wonder whether at this stage in his career, when he's doing a fine job at a club with major ambition whether the England job would be a very clever move... realistically, unless you win something (or at least get to a Semi/Final) you're going to leave it with a worse image than you started - very few people come out with their reputation improved - it'd be mental for him to leave Spurs for that.

Hodgson though. Good. Excellent manager that knows how to make the most of a lacklustre squad - I just hope the tabloids leave it a little while before tearing his demeanour to shreds. He'll end up getting Graham Taylor'd eventually.

Stuart Pearce has to be the man for the longterm, but I think everyone knows that already...

[scspkr99]

I do think that national football should be about representing the best of the nation at the given time, players, coaches, physios, managers, scouts. It's almost like, what's the point? If the guy in charge of the players is an Italian, what's the point? Where does it stop? If we can have a Spanish manager, why not get some Spanish players? Understand that probably nobody here will agree with me, but I think it devalues the whole affair.

I'm not in a poisition to argue because I'm not a fan of international football. That said it seems that English FA would impose a criteria on themselves making it harder than other nations.

However it was felt in Liverpool that the press called for Hodgson to be given the job in an attempt to move English managers into bigger jobs in advance of having a number of managers to fill the job of Capello. I think there's a little Englander mentality in among a lot of the press and as a result the relative strengths of English managers are overstated.

Where's Curbishly?

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I do think that national football should be about representing the best of the nation at the given time, players, coaches, physios, managers, scouts. It's almost like, what's the point? If the guy in charge of the players is an Italian, what's the point? Where does it stop? If we can have a Spanish manager, why not get some Spanish players? Understand that probably nobody here will agree with me, but I think it devalues the whole affair.

I'm not in a poisition to argue because I'm not a fan of international football. That said it seems that English FA would impose a criteria on themselves making it harder than other nations.

However it was felt in Liverpool that the press called for Hodgson to be given the job in an attempt to move English managers into bigger jobs in advance of having a number of managers to fill the job of Capello. I think there's a little Englander mentality in among a lot of the press and as a result the relative strengths of English managers are overstated.

Where's Curbishly?

He's repeatedly been linked with jobs over the last few years but keeps ruling himself out. Guess he's waiting for the right vacancy to come along

[garethom]

That said it seems that English FA would impose a criteria on themselves making it harder than other nations.

Yeah, it would need to be something FIFA imposed on a worldwide level. Might do a bit more for developing countries too, if some of their own managers were given the chance, rather than just shipping in some European guy to earn a million times the average national wage.

Even as a wishy-washy no-borders hippified liberal, I have to say I think that International coaches should come from the country they're representing. If the squad has to have a passport, then so should the guy telling them how to play.

We're in the same boat.

[PinUp]

That said it seems that English FA would impose a criteria on themselves making it harder than other nations.

Yeah, it would need to be something FIFA imposed on a worldwide level. Might do a bit more for developing countries too, if some of their own managers were given the chance, rather than just shipping in some European guy to earn a million times the average national wage.

Even as a wishy-washy no-borders hippified liberal, I have to say I think that International coaches should come from the country they're representing. If the squad has to have a passport, then so should the guy telling them how to play.

We're in the same boat.[/quote]

I think some of the developing countries might struggle to find a manager with any capability though.

[jazzamataz]

KOLN website has just anounced Poldi as an Arsenal player

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KOLN website has just anounced Poldi as an Arsenal player

Unusual for Wenger to get business done so early, does he know something about Van Persie?

[garethom]

I think some of the developing countries might struggle to find a manager with any capability though.

That was partly my point. They'd have to put a bit more effort into ensuring coaching for some of their own. They're never going to get better if they don't get the experience.