which do you think would be more effective tonight... increased physical presence... more police riot shields and all that... more physical confrontations
or the use of rubber bullets/gas ?
obviously consequences of both.... from everything ive read/seen seems you guys are uping police on the streets tonight something fierce but staying away from water/rubber/beanbags
curfew.
i dont think any of the other options will work, itll only make things worse.
rubber bullets will mean real bullets being fired back at the old bill. no one wants to see more people shooting and looting...
don't think a curfew would do much for people who are content on breaking into shit. Isn't a curfew just saying "hey that shit you did last night don't do it or else"
assume that'd be broken instantly... how to react to that is what im asking... if its more riot gear only guess is it'll get more physical ie beatings and such which will have its own huge consequences
Plastic/Rubber bullets killed 14 people (including 9 children) during the riots in Norn Ireland, it's too risky to use them imo. Gas/water cannons I'm fine with, but not rubber/plastic bullets.
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Duffman wrote:Plastic/Rubber bullets killed 14 people (including 9 children) during the riots in Norn Ireland, it's too risky to use them imo. Gas/water cannons I'm fine with, but not rubber/plastic bullets.
if the police start shooting rubber bullets i'm sure a few real bullets would get fired back
Duffman wrote:Plastic/Rubber bullets killed 14 people (including 9 children) during the riots in Norn Ireland, it's too risky to use them imo. Gas/water cannons I'm fine with, but not rubber/plastic bullets.
yeah killed multiple people during katrina as well.
The only people who will care if the police get really aggressive/use more brutal force are the parents of the kids and hippies...
The general population wants to get their communities back on track.. Bring out those bad ass vans - start battering them and locking em up.
I have been waiting all day to find a shop to get food/cigarettes - haven't eaten in 2 days due to this (woke up late yesterday went to go 24 hour asda, it was being looted so didn't).....
The ripple affect is only in its infancy..
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Duffman wrote:Plastic/Rubber bullets killed 14 people (including 9 children) during the riots in Norn Ireland, it's too risky to use them imo. Gas/water cannons I'm fine with, but not rubber/plastic bullets.
if the police start shooting rubber bullets i'm sure a few real bullets would get fired back
exactly, so that puts those options out of the question.
curfew, arrest on site anyone breaking said curfew. i reckon it could work. but then again, im just a bloke rolling a joint just out of reach of the madness (not for long so i hear, youts congregating in my local (smalltown) park)
hence why im not in charge!
basically none of us can comment really, thats why were on dsf, and not in the cobra meetings...
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noam wrote:son
let me break this down for ya
mustard = yellow
HP = brown
Ketchup = red
if ya fuck with the program, someone's gona get hurt... feel me
zerbaman wrote:By the time you're using real bullets, isn't killing an intention?
by not a murder weapon I'm comparing to an assault rifle... a 9mm can be used to subdue not kill only
9mm vs 45mm from an m-16. Completely different approaches in the form of law enforcement.
Speaking only from military experience if you need to wound and subdue a 9mm round is easily survivable in most areas of the body baring vital organs. Where as 1 shot from an m16 can kill you literally anywhere on the body.
Functionally, in law enforcement, there is little difference between a beretta and an mp5 outside of the mp5's full auto.
Both 9mm and 5.56 which an m16 uses can kill you with one shot, both pretty weak rounds though and thats why theyre used, mainly to incappacitate rather than kill.
A gun is a fucking gun. They all kill relatively easily compared to almost all other weapons (save for, like, bombs and really good poison). They have guns because they can kill people with guns. They probably use MP5s because they look fucking rad and can be carried easily.
They killed this dude with one shot to the chest. All the above nerding out on lethal weaponary is null and void.
Manchester appears to be in flames. Fingers crossed London stays peaceful tonight. There's definitely plenty of police, which is more than can be said for Manchester by the sounds...
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charleswpeck wrote:If that bloke JBoy starts going on about fucking guns again I swear. Of all threads, let's not let this one go to shit.
Not just me talking about it though was it? No point in making threats hiding behind a computer is there? Just makes you sound stupid, youre probably about 15 years old anyway.
charleswpeck wrote:If that bloke JBoy starts going on about fucking guns again I swear. Of all threads, let's not let this one go to shit.
Not just me talking about it though was it? No point in making threats hiding behind a computer is there? Just makes you sound stupid, youre probably about 15 years old anyway.
now now, you both said sorry for derailing, charleswpeck should know that and weve all been pretty good so far... anyway, back to the point.
whats is cameron /actually/ going to do, apart from say, this is senseless violence, which we all already know...
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noam wrote:son
let me break this down for ya
mustard = yellow
HP = brown
Ketchup = red
if ya fuck with the program, someone's gona get hurt... feel me
abs wrote:He's probably riding out his jet lag and washing the sand out of his hair
perhaps this is why so many are vexed, him and the rest of the toff brigade are off sunning themselvs in theyre nice tuscany villas, when others can barely afford the mortgage...
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noam wrote:son
let me break this down for ya
mustard = yellow
HP = brown
Ketchup = red
if ya fuck with the program, someone's gona get hurt... feel me
charleswpeck wrote:If that bloke JBoy starts going on about fucking guns again I swear. Of all threads, let's not let this one go to shit.
Not just me talking about it though was it? No point in making threats hiding behind a computer is there? Just makes you sound stupid, youre probably about 15 years old anyway.
now now, you both said sorry for derailing, charleswpeck should know that and weve all been pretty good so far... anyway, back to the point.
whats is cameron /actually/ going to do, apart from say, this is senseless violence, which we all already know...
haven't you heard, all the MP's are being recalled so they can have a waste of time debate where they don't discuss the underlying issues behind anti social behaviour in this country, rather all try to score points over each other by expressing how shocking it all is