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Postby dc_wolftown » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:33 am

Safe,
After a few months of experimenting with resampling, not really getting anywhere in terms of sound quality i came up with a pretty simple way of getting on the right track. Ive got so much help since getting on this forum in terms of production i thought id share this for those who, like myself, are looking into the elusive yet highly rewarding technique of resampling:
All the vst's i use on this (save for the synth itself) are free/native plugs, im using FL but itll transfer onto every DAW pretty much the same. I'll explain it for a bassline, but it can be applied to any sound.

Step 1:
Make yourself a nice bassline, get it sounding dirty with whatever you can within the synth. Im using Albino so i tend to play about with the saturation modes/FX's until its sounding pretty good.

Step 2:
Hook up to a mixer channel, then send this channel to a second mixer channel (FL users just click on another channel towards the bottom of the strip). On the second channel that the synth is hooked to from the first, add CMt bitcrusher and downsample 3-16x (thanks to all the production forum users who pointed this out to me when i posted a few months ago on dirtying up basslines). Then add a chorus. Turn the LFO's off and set the depth/delay/etc to whatever sounds best. Also set the crossover pretty high so only the treble/high mids are being affected. Then add Camel Audio Camel Crusher. Turn the compressor off and set the tube/mech to taste. Add a parametric EQ if needs be to boost the high freqs. Experiment with the chain of these effects swapping them according to the sound. The chorus/camel/eq in different orders should alter the sound quite alot depending on where their placed.

Step 3:
Set the level of the second affected channel with the original depending on whatever suits. Play about with adding extra effects to both channels. The way the second channel behaves once an effect is added to the first is quite extreme in even light application of effects. So its possible to create a whole array of different sounds just from say, adding a flanger/chorus/etc to the first channel, then listening to how much it affects the sound as a whole as it goes through both channels. By now it should be sounding pretty girthy.

Step 4:
Export the riff/sample (i use edison on the master channel in FL but whatever method will do). Reload and place into a mixer channel. Add another Camel Crusher for abit more grit, EQ and compress. Set up a reverb/delay send and resample again for extra depth.

Obviously this technique can be applied a 2nd/3rd/4th time to fuck the sound up even more so. Which is what ive moved onto doing now, into the territory of splitting the sound into bass/low mid/high mid/treble sections for ultimate control over each part. Something which i was attempting to do before coming up with the above method but being left with a pile of unlistenable mushy shite.

Hope this is a help to some peeps. I know theres no secret technique to resamping, only a whole load of practice and using your ears, but this method got me on the right track in terms of hearing the benefits of it and encouraging me to experiment more in depth and realise that the possiblities are endless. Im hooked now, i resample pretty much every sound in one way or another. Kick and snares benefit hugley from it for mega face melting wide drum sounds aswell so its worth trying it on some nice drum hits.

Keep up the good work folks!
Peace
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Postby ckzdub » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:38 am

fuck man... nice , cant wait to test this out.
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Postby chronicrecords » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:44 am

10/10 mate

Very very very nice, thank you for posting this.
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Postby morro_e » Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:51 am

thanx a ton! up in the bible this?
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Postby JFK » Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:18 pm

Nice.

Production bible?
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Postby gh02 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:15 pm

nice!... definite bibleworthyness right here

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Postby deadly_habit » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:25 pm

heh the grid goes a lil more into detail but def a good guide for here
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Postby hurlingdervish » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:28 pm

deadly habit wrote:heh the grid goes a lil more into detail but def a good guide for here

do you have a link to that thread?
some people asked about resampling on another forum and i couldn't find it, nor did i want to type a page on why and where its useful... :D

thanks
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Postby deadly_habit » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:38 pm

used to wil try to find after work, but i just posted like 3 tunes to dubs section 2 using resampling and such
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Postby step correct » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:58 pm

Explain downsample plz
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Postby deadly_habit » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:11 pm

downsample is the quality issue every time you lose quality
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Postby step correct » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:38 pm

So sample to a lower bitrate? I get everything else but what exactly is that?
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Postby dc_wolftown » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:56 am

Cheers for all the postive responses peeps!
As i said, its only a very basic beginners method, ive only recently got into it myself. Im sure theirs some beasty threads on DOA that got proper into detail, which ill be reading up on more now ive got a decent basis for it.
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Downsampling is basically decreasing the sample rate of a sound. On the CMT bitcrusher theres a slider on there to do this. Subtle amounts work wonders. Sometimes i set up the CMT downsampled say, 4x on a mixer channel before i even start programming a sound: sometimes sounds dont react well to this sort of effect, having it on from the beginning allows me to know i can fucking destroy the sound once ive got it sounding nice with various other audio torture :mrgreen:
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Postby deadly_habit » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:33 am

also a lot of plugins when you bounce/resample do so in a lower bitrate if you are working in 24 ie to 16 bit
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Postby Dark Reign » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:40 am

thanks for the tips.

Anyone have a link to that DOA thread? I wanna get deeper into resampling
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Postby 86. » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:48 pm

prefer more aggresive bitcrushing myself.


lol just thought i'd pipe in with that.
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Postby Dark Reign » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:23 pm

86. wrote:prefer more aggresive bitcrushing myself.


lol just thought i'd pipe in with that.


Yeah Bitcrushing is awesome. I have a few bitcrush plug ins. any you would reccomend?
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Postby 86. » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:31 pm

Dark Reign wrote:
86. wrote:prefer more aggresive bitcrushing myself.


lol just thought i'd pipe in with that.


Yeah Bitcrushing is awesome. I have a few bitcrush plug ins. any you would reccomend?



I'd say bitcrushing is a definite "thing" in my "sound". maybe to a fault lol

these are the BIG BITCRUSHING 4 that I use lol

CMT
MB Crushy
Distroyr
TAL-Bitcrusher (used less often TBH)

I also fucks with Ableton's Redux from time to time. overlooked it when I first started using it. but lately have been playing with it more.

so yeah the first 4 are signature....immediate go to's. I often have an FX rack with more than two of those popping off...and then automate, automate, automate .
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Postby Dark Reign » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:23 am

86. wrote:
Dark Reign wrote:
86. wrote:prefer more aggresive bitcrushing myself.


lol just thought i'd pipe in with that.


Yeah Bitcrushing is awesome. I have a few bitcrush plug ins. any you would reccomend?



I'd say bitcrushing is a definite "thing" in my "sound". maybe to a fault lol

these are the BIG BITCRUSHING 4 that I use lol

CMT
MB Crushy
Distroyr
TAL-Bitcrusher (used less often TBH)

I also fucks with Ableton's Redux from time to time. overlooked it when I first started using it. but lately have been playing with it more.

so yeah the first 4 are signature....immediate go to's. I often have an FX rack with more than two of those popping off...and then automate, automate, automate .


Thanks. I have CMT, Ill do a search on those others.

and i see your from Canada, same here. where are you livin? Im livin over here in the kootenays in BC.
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Postby 86. » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:13 pm

Dark Reign wrote:Thanks. I have CMT, Ill do a search on those others.

and i see your from Canada, same here. where are you livin? Im livin over here in the kootenays in BC.


i'm from Ottawa but living outside of Moncton.

yeah I used CMT only for quite awhile....it's sick (it gets some hate though)
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