what is the hardest form/subgenre of drum'n'bass?

[kp mike]

ok so jump-up is the chavvy party sort.
techstep has techno influences? Im just guessing really
liquid or liquid funk is the more melodic deep drum n bass

so what's like the closet style that has like a hard, dark, and metal'y sound? Im guessing it's darkstep yes? I want to know which one is the one with all the clanging snares and piercing reeses.

[wrecked]

I'm not sure if this is a joke, but i'll bite that it's serious.

The hardest stuff that still gets labeled as drum and bass doesn't have a single commonly used subgenre name.

Some would just say "hard drum and bass", some say "darkstep". In some cases the line blurs, and people
might call the harder stuff "breakcore" (which is usually disconnected from the d&b scene and is equally linked to hardcore techno).

I'm talking about artists like Current Value, Limewax, Panacea, CounterStrike, Apex, Gancher, etc.

[kp mike]

thanks for that, with the artist names.
not sure why you would think im joking though, but yeah, drumnbass has been around a very long time for me not to have found something out about the harder side of it.

[mawltea]

Limewax is fucking sick - got the Therapy Session mix, and I know I'm getting soft, but couldn't stand it for more than 10 minutes or so.

[subvert47]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp9h9gszscQ

[zerohour]

zap

[alexchuck]

darkstep (aka drill'n'bass, industrial drum'n'bass)

artists: Current Value, Donny, Limewax, etc.
labels: Freak, Barcode, Mindsaw, etc

another hard form is the fusion between neuro-funk and darkstep but less industrial (like Counterstrike).

don't forget to try the Eastern-European scene! look for mixes by Paul Blackout, Replicator, IDOLEAST, etc.

example:

Cooh - Metal vs Drum'n'Bass mix

http://soundcloud.com/cooh/cooh-metal-vs-drum

01.Iron Maiden VS Ogonek & Cooh - Scared Of The Dark
02.Rammstein VS Cooh - Sonne Contact
03.Slayer VS Current Value - Dark Raining Blood
04.KC - Extreme Steel (Counterstrike Remix)
05.Ministry VS The Panacea & Raiden - Connect The TV
06.System Of A Down VS Lucio De Rimanez - Lord Of The Sugar
07.Manowar VS Cooh & The Outsider Agency - The Keepers of Metal
08.Sepultura - Straighthate (Zardonic Remix)
09.Slipknot VS Cooh - Wait And Duuure
10.Deftones VS Cooh - Shoved Vret
11.Clawfinger VS Ogonek - What You Say
12.Ministry VS Cooh,Breaker&SilentKiller - Galaxy Thieves
13.Hatebreed VS Cooh - Live For Ventil
14.Metallica VS Zany & Cooh - Everything Else Matters
15.System Of A Down VS Current Value - Chop The New Life
16.Korn VS Current Value - You Need A Clown
17.Rammstein VS Cooh - Maine Smile
18.Edge Of Sanity VS Cooh - Twilight Blast
19.The Gathering VS Cooh & Broken Note - Saturn Retox

I wouldn't classify breakcore as DRUM'n'BASS though! breakcore is branched off jungle. real talk ) but if we're talking jungle/breakcore then you should check out this collective from Germany called Neurotic Sound Foundation: http://www.nsf-music.de/wp/?page_id=56 it's a combination betweek dark jungle, drumfunk and darkstep.

Enjoy the ruffness haha..

[dj_quakerr]

Artists

Current Value
Limewax
The Panacea
Cooh
Ideoleast
Peter Kurten
Lucio De Rimanez (for the proper clanging snares)
Machine Code (Dean Roddell & Current Value Collab.)
Katharsys
Donny
Mark Tailor
B-Soul
Forbidden Society
Kitech
Centaspike
Gancher & Ruin (these 2 are Russian twins - only 16yrs old - MINT!!!)
Zardonic
SPL
Technical Itch
DJ Hidden
I:Gor
The Outside Agency (Hidden & I:Gor Collab. - I think - Mean anyway)
Of God
TZA

Labels

Freak
Tech Freak
Obscene
Counterstrike
Algorythm
Mindsaw (pretty much all digital - Crazy Mint)
Subsistenz
Lost Soul
Penetration
Position Chrome
Future Sickness
Tilt (German Techno Stuff - Amazing)
Offkey (not so much anymore, but good for a back catalogue)
Prospect

The best place to find yourself a good link to all of this sort of stuff is: http://satanicalbotsritual.wordpress.com/

It's not my blog or site or anything like that. It just happens to be a very, very good link to all things in the "Dark D&B" world.

Hope this helps.

[dayton]

The Outside Agency (Hidden & I:Gor Collab. - I think - Mean anyway)

hidden + eye d!

[dj_quakerr]

The Outside Agency (Hidden & I:Gor Collab. - I think - Mean anyway)

hidden + eye d!

True - my mistake. Brilliant though. So hard and heavy

[kingldub]

No love for TitanZero or Gasmask 71?

[dj_quakerr]

No love for TitanZero or Gasmask 71?

Gasmask71 - Completely forgot. Quality.

TitanZero - never heard of to be honest. Might have to look in to him.

Loving this thread. Quality music being discussed, this sort of stuff is the future of D&B. The eastern Europeans are mad on it. Can't wait for the D&B heads in England to start waking up and stop listening to jump up.

[hirntrust]

zfe - face destroy - hard dnb or breakcore or both

[kingldub]

No love for TitanZero or Gasmask 71?

Gasmask71 - Completely forgot. Quality.

TitanZero - never heard of to be honest. Might have to look in to him.

Loving this thread. Quality music being discussed, this sort of stuff is the future of D&B. The eastern Europeans are mad on it. Can't wait for the D&B heads in England to start waking up and stop listening to jump up.

Check the TitanZero remix of 'Papa Nu Guinea'

[kp mike]

zfe - face destroy - hard dnb or breakcore or both

holy shit!!! lol
no this a bit too extreme

[kingldub]

I'm gonna go ahead and mention Enduser, not strictly Drum n Bass but some wikkid tunes none the less.

[thanatos]

Artists



The best place to find yourself a good link to all of this sort of stuff is: http://satanicalbotsritual.wordpress.com/

It's not my blog or site or anything like that. It just happens to be a very, very good link to all things in the "Dark D&B" world.

Hope this helps.

thanx this is my blog. it try to keep it often updated about the darkstep scene. there also some breakcore and stuff but mostly darkstep

i produce also under the alias dead by silence. you can check my last ableton liveset (pretty brutal) on my blog

[wrecked]

here's a mix that goes from industrial dubstep, hard technoid beats into hard d&b and breakcore...

http://cutupsmethod.com/audio/mixes/ast ... lflash.mp3

tracklisting
godflesh - like rats
cloaks - against
broken note - let em hang
sully - voidsucka
split horizon - trees
pluge - duty to work (cyp remake)
imminent - teskede
cyp - follow me
monster x - get up to kill
j-stat - twisted diaphram
gizmode - since the crackstep
nero - go back
synthamesk - 4_11 am
stendeck - lullabies from the cliff by the sea
somatic responses - ucircumflex
valav - svetpara
minion - diminution
noisia - stigma
dimentia - diseased language
silent killer - the great machine
diverge & proton kid - heretic
gancher - lekto
rogue element - reality is over rated
current value & limewax - tempest
eprom - evil shit
le jad - a princess on my horse
bit shifter - edit friends
nasenbluten - cut her to bits
overcast - only way in (remix @ 3PM)
ebola - house of flying emo
kraddy - android porn
speedy j - vopak

[dj_quakerr]

Artists



The best place to find yourself a good link to all of this sort of stuff is: http://satanicalbotsritual.wordpress.com/

It's not my blog or site or anything like that. It just happens to be a very, very good link to all things in the "Dark D&B" world.

Hope this helps.

thanx this is my blog. it try to keep it often updated about the darkstep scene. there also some breakcore and stuff but mostly darkstep

i produce also under the alias dead by silence. you can check my last ableton liveset (pretty brutal) on my blog

That set is unbelievably savage. Pretty much all your own productions aswell. Keep that shit up man.

And no probs for mentioning your blog. It's found me some nice mixes and such and you put one of my mixes up on there before aswell which I was quite surprised and pleased about.

[G31]

its often called technoid, or dalek p0rn music

or sometimes its still just called neuro, or tech, or pot & pan step

lmao