What's the difference?

aesthetics · Post by **aesthetics** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:02 pm

Between a pair of 1200's with a laptop and Serato, and a high end Midi Controller and a laptop (i.e. Vestax VCI-100)?

I mean besides looking cooler with your Technics and mixer and having to carry around more shit to gigs, Serato isn't really spinning vinyl.
I honestly don't see the difference between the two.
I am dying to know what the fuck is up with all these Serato DJs dissing controller DJs.
Both Serato users and Midi Controller users can cheat if they want to, and both can spin legit too so...

Someone elaborate.

2manynoobs · Post by **2manynoobs** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:12 pm

aesthetics wrote:Between a pair of 1200's with a laptop and Serato, and a high end Midi Controller and a laptop (i.e. Vestax VCI-100)?

I mean besides looking cooler with your Technics and mixer and having to carry around more shit to gigs, Serato isn't really spinning vinyl.
I honestly don't see the difference between the two.
I am dying to know what the fuck is up with all these Serato DJs dissing controller DJs.
Both Serato users and Midi Controller users can cheat if they want to, and both can spin legit too so...

Someone elaborate.

look: you only buy 1200's when you are a vinyl junky. Only the tracks you made yourself or tracks of your buddies or tracks you can't find on vinyl you can then play out with serato. To go 100% serato with no vinyl at all is just the biggest waste you can imagine

btw hows the weather in Haifa?

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:16 pm

You will piss off every DJ and engineer before and after your sets and will limit where/when/how you can DJ with a laptop and MIDI controller!

Plus you are completely at the mercy of your inbuilt soundcard unless you buy a decent DAC

2manynoobs · Post by **2manynoobs** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:17 pm

Littlefoot wrote:You will piss off every DJ and engineer before and after your sets and will limit where/when/how you can DJ with a laptop and MIDI controller!

Plus you are completely at the mercy of your inbuilt soundcard unless you buy a decent DAC

you can buy an audio interface so that's no point :p

tripaddict · Post by **tripaddict** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:25 pm

fuck all other controllers and get this setup

numark ns7

narcissus · Post by **narcissus** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:54 pm

Littlefoot wrote:You will piss off every DJ and engineer before and after your sets and will limit where/when/how you can DJ with a laptop and MIDI controller!

not true.. if people wanna be whiny about it and get pissed off because they didn't think of it, that's their deal... it's not really the DJ's fault

aesthetics · Post by **aesthetics** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:20 pm

2manynoobs wrote:look: you only buy 1200's when you are a vinyl junky. Only the tracks you made yourself or tracks of your buddies or tracks you can't find on vinyl you can then play out with serato. To go 100% serato with no vinyl at all is just the biggest waste you can imagine

btw hows the weather in Haifa?

Most of the DJ's I see that have Serato use it as a good looking, expensive subsitute to a MIDI Controller in order to (I'm guessing) feel more authentic\look cooler\have the right to call themselves vinyl spinners and look down upon MIDI Controller users like me... I have nothing against Serato users, I even envy them because they have the feel of authentic vinyl at their fingertips with the comfort of a MIDI Controller.

I only look down on Serato users who look down on Controller users like me, when they themselves are MIDI Controller users with really expensive equipment...
As long as I'm not pressing sync and keeping my set completely legit, I don't see why me being unable to afford Turntables (atm) makes me a 'less authentic' DJ.
I can honestly say I can DJ with my laptop screen closed but that would lead to picking random tracks which may or may not go together...

And the weather here is good for people who hate winter

"You will piss off every DJ and engineer before and after your sets and will limit where/when/how you can DJ with a laptop and MIDI controller!

Plus you are completely at the mercy of your inbuilt soundcard unless you buy a decent DAC"

-You could teach a semi-retarded monkey fetus to connect the laptop to one of the channels on the mixer and use that channel as a master (as in set the master gain and not touch it afterwards).

-I wouldn't play out with some built-in sound card piece of shit $6 Toys'r'us controller, even though my set up may not be the most glamorous (Vestax VCI-100 and an NI Audio DJ 2) it sounds fucking sweet on a system. And, even though it's probably undetectable by the human ear, I'm pretty sure the 100's response time (high resolution pulse sensor) is faster than the response time of the basic Serato-Laptop-1200 set-up I have been seing a lot lately...

I could whine more but i'm starting to hallucinate violins.

/end rant

aesthetics · Post by **aesthetics** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:22 pm

tripaddict wrote:fuck all other controllers and get this setup

numark ns7

Holy shit wagon.

upstateface · Post by **upstateface** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:29 pm

People use Digital vinyl systems because they are used to and enjoy the feel of spinning vinyl.

tripaddict · Post by **tripaddict** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:41 am

aesthetics wrote:
tripaddict wrote:fuck all other controllers and get this setup

numark ns7

Holy shit wagon.

hell yeah they're £1300 and there's a waiting list

i got to play on my mates as he reps for numark stanton and akai

they're the best digital decks i've used yet .... but its strange as fuck mixing and scratching on a 7" lol

WatchYourStep · Post by **WatchYourStep** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:22 am

tripaddict wrote:fuck all other controllers and get this setup

numark ns7

I don't think you should demo a new DJ hardware product by scratching on it, but demoing a song mix is pretty boring...

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:58 am

ah the ns7
fun lil toy to mess about on
sold a few of em since they launched, plus just bring in a thumbdrive and i mix while i'm bored at work

tripaddict · Post by **tripaddict** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:47 am

deadly habit wrote:ah the ns7
fun lil toy to mess about on
sold a few of em since they launched, plus just bring in a thumbdrive and i mix while i'm bored at work

i love the needle drop function very cool esp if your migrating from vinyl

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:34 pm

narcissus wrote:
Littlefoot wrote:You will piss off every DJ and engineer before and after your sets and will limit where/when/how you can DJ with a laptop and MIDI controller!

not true.. if people wanna be whiny about it and get pissed off because they didn't think of it, that's their deal... it's not really the DJ's fault

it's not that didn't think of it, its the beer on the decks, the scratched records, the people standing on your feet etc

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:37 pm

aesthetics wrote: -You could teach a semi-retarded monkey fetus to connect the laptop to one of the channels on the mixer and use that channel as a master (as in set the master gain and not touch it afterwards).

You can't teach a DAC to change itself into a decent model though.

gravity · Post by **gravity** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:47 pm

the difference is that with serato it feels exactly the same as records. which is better.

thats really all there is to it.

BananaBomber · Post by **BananaBomber** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:16 pm

tripaddict wrote:fuck all other controllers and get this setup

numark ns7

That Looks Fucking Sick

Pricey Tho

antipode · Post by **antipode** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:59 am

gravity wrote:the difference is that with serato it feels exactly the same as records. which is better.

thats really all there is to it.

I love the crazy midi ableton shit though.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:09 am

how many times must this shit be said
CAPSLOCK MODE

IT'S NOT THE FUCKING GODDAMN TOOLS THAT MAKE AN ARTIST, IT'S THE MOTHERFUCKING SHIT SUCKING tnuc LICKING TALENT AND VISION AND DEDICATION YOU ASS BURGLARS

Depone · Post by **Depone** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:08 pm

This thread is a heaving pile of bullshit. Sorry to sound harsh, but it doesn't matter what you use, its the end result that counts. (so long as your not Mitsubishi and pretend to mix from a pre mixed CD

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