mysticism vs science

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:08 am

conscious half steppaz or teched out club bangers

which way do you lean ???

please no sitting on the fence...

...I much prefer the mystic aspect of halfstepping, and recently spent a day in the film archives of NZ and the national archives researching old polynesian sounds and found some stuff that'll fuck with everyones heads

not only the sounds but what they mean and where they come from...

...the sound of the nights emerging from the void to slowly become the light of day interspersed with the sounds of war and rebirth, the 13 heavens and 10 underworlds

next step in our evolution is to combine those with some cannibalised staggered half step beats and some spoken word chronicling the creation...

...still definitely feeling a lot of the up beat stuff but I tend to do all my dancing on the inside so it's not like an either or thing it's just a slight leaning in favour of stripped back half time beats

mrjiggyfly · Post by **mrjiggyfly** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:41 am

Who says you can't dance to halfsteppas. jus gotta know how to move

Definitely love slow, plodding nastiness!!!!

I bust it like Mc Hammer on crack!!!!!!!!

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:48 am

MRJIGGYFLY wrote:Who says you can't dance to halfsteppas. jus gotta know how to move

Definitely love slow, plodding nastiness!!!!

I bust it like Mc Hammer on crack!!!!!!!!

hahahaha! word up, westsider!

i am all about "mud" and "ruff beats"er "ruffage" by loefah.
FUNKNSTOMPIN!!!!

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:03 am

trust, i know how to move...

...but nodding your head and shuffling your feet from side to side while occassionally raising your beer bottle with a ciggy in the other hand isn't really dancing though is it ???

pompende · Post by **pompende** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:04 am

ruf ruf ruf...beats beats beats!

i could probably rock out to that, and im a physics major.

capsule · Post by **capsule** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:48 am

Between it...Its just the way how the beats n bass is composed...

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:26 pm

yeah if its too square on it wont work, i think halfstep is all about suggesting what might be there in the big spaces

worldy d · Post by **worldy d** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:04 am

dubmugga wrote:please no sitting on the fence...

You are wrong... I have a third choice.

Um just kidding I don't really. But seriously tho, isn't the essence of dubstep the balanced combo of dub (spacey bassy earthy rooty mystical vibe) and step (skippy cold futuristic vibe)? The name dubstep says it all. (Its basically the stable, viable, matured descendant of dark garage. That stuff was too steppy to be bearable for long. Too dope. Like candy- really tasty but no substance so you get sick of it after a while.)

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:02 am

Worldy D wrote:But seriously tho, isn't the essence of dubstep the balanced combo of dub (spacey bassy earthy rooty mystical vibe) and step (skippy cold futuristic vibe)?

this is really confused. how can the dub represent earth and space? how can step be skippy (a reference to urban culture's 2step) and cold futurism?

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:24 am

Blackdown wrote:
Worldy D wrote:But seriously tho, isn't the essence of dubstep the balanced combo of dub (spacey bassy earthy rooty mystical vibe) and step (skippy cold futuristic vibe)?
this is really confused. how can the dub represent earth and space? how can step be skippy (a reference to urban culture's 2step) and cold futurism?

... this is really, really confused. Why can't dub rep. earth & space ???

worldy d · Post by **worldy d** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:29 am

earth and space. that does sound funny. but cmon you know what is meant. don't think literally. dub is earthy and dub is spacey.

was 2step not cold and futuristic? I thought that was the whole deal. avante garde futuristic riddims meet soulful divas. similar juxtaposition as dubstep. consider south london boroughs - is that not both skippy and coldly futuristic?

how can dubstep be both dubby and steppy? it just is! like, how can you be about soul and jah and also be a souljah? isn't militant dub an oxymoron? maybe, but it exists. e.g. soujahz da wrath remix.

jera · Post by **jera** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:49 am

i like my spacey half step beats.I jus like 2 lose myself in the music n the vibe that it creates.

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:48 pm

Mr Hyde wrote:From a techno/electro background I would definatly say angry tec bangers- but Ive always got time for a bit of moody half steppin

Me too. No coincidence that I only got into dnb through the No U Turn lot.....

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:26 pm

what i mean is which floats your boat more ???

the harder side of vex'd, search&destroy, toasty,boxcutter, darqwan, markone etc true 138 bpm steppers

or the halfstepping likes of DMZ, kode9, scuba, L-wiz etc

one is mystic vibes, the other is breakbeat science

and nah 2step 2me was always kinda light and fluffy more like UK r'n'b

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:33 am

quibbling over abstract adjectives isn't really the way to go is it

minusdegree · Post by **minusdegree** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:01 pm

quibbling over abstract adjectives isn't really the way to go is it

Exactly, this dichotomy has legs and will run.
my 2 pence, I love basslines, thats why i love dub, dnb, punk an dubstep.
dubstep is dubstep, it matter less on the periphreal(i give up tryin to spell this) sounds

peripheral · Post by **peripheral** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:19 pm

minusdegree wrote:
quibbling over abstract adjectives isn't really the way to go is it
my 2 pence, I love basslines, thats why i love dub, it matter less on the periphreal(i give up tryin to spell this) sounds

init - basslines is what it's all about. i love both harder, breakier sorts and halfstep. no you can't pirouette to either, but you can bust a skank in whichever way you like (shifting about a bit and raising your cig counts y'kow) - all about finding the rhythm in the spaces/space in the rhythm. jus depends on the tune.

and it's ALL about the peripheral...

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:02 pm

subliminal · Post by **subliminal** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:31 pm

dubmugga wrote:what i mean is which floats your boat more ???

If I really had to pick, I would say the halfstep style is what floats my boat more, BUT! - thats a really tough question. Like asking which of your children you love more (if you had any). I mean, I first got into dubstep through Toasty's "Like Sun" which got me completely hooked, but after hearing some DMZ, D1, and Skream and the lot, its almost a deeper vibe - which is what I suppose I am afer.

I like Distance and Toasty and all the others though too. Its a different vibe, but in a very similar format which are both relatively new to me, so I think the ideal mix for me to listen to would be 70% halfstep/30% harder stuff. Kind of like a good strain thats 70/30 sativa/indica. But like stains, you need variety, so I also like to mix it up a bit by listening to all of the spectrum. so there!

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