a stupid question

[2manynoobs]

You enter to live on this earth.

From the moment you are born you set foot on society's ground.

But what if you don't want that? What if you just want to live on your own without using the advantages and without adding something to society?

It's a stupid question, I know, but what if?

You can't walk on the roads, the roads are from society.

You cannot enjoy protection, defense of society.

If you all don't want that, if you choose not to enjoy all that, how do you live?

Because you can't walk somewhere without crossing a road or crossing someone's land.

Or because you cannot not enjoy protection or defense.


This leads to another question: are there any parts on this world besides seas that are not inhabited by people who live in some sort of society, places where is no law? And I don't mean, the rain forest, I mean legally, non inhabited places.

Not that I want to step out of society, but I was just wondering. As far as I know you can't step out society. Or you have to go live in outer space.


=> thus, my friends. The final question: are we free?

[dubloke]

become a hermit and live in a cave?

[2manynoobs]

become a hermit and live in a cave?

nope, I think -in theory- if you would go live in a cave.. in a public/nature area.. owned by a country.. it's illegal.


Becoming nomadic won't solve -in theory- also nothing. Walking on roads or terrain owned by a country is -in theory- illegal, if you have no nationality, if you are not a part of society.

Actually -in theory- you should be able to choose to becoming a human, or becoming an animal. So if you not choose to be part of society, you should be -in theory- be treated like an animal. So you can walk on the land, but people are allowed to shoot you..

anyways, who would want to be an outcast anyway. The main purpose of a human is to communicate with other humans and to have fun and have a good time and life. So becoming outcast will only assure that you won't get all that stuff.
But I can understand that there are people who just do it on principle: you should be free to be free and disconnected from all this nonsense and malice that fucks up your life anyways. (that's a bit too negative, I know, but I guess you get why)

[mercutio]

there are regions in northern pakistan which are completely lawless.
live there if you want to but you will have to share a dorm with al'qaeda

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

This leads to another question: are there any parts on this world besides seas that are not inhabited by people who live in some sort of society, places where is no law? And I don't mean, the rain forest, I mean legally, non inhabited places.

Argh. Few thoughts...

The human mind is a place capable of many things, top of the list being the ability to manifest reality. Personalities act as drops of water, reflecting images of those surrounding, along with the potential of adhering to other droplets or repelling other liquid states if the chemistry directs to repulsion

The thing is, laws are vaguely a set of terms that have been agreed upon, they do not physically exist, nor are they synonymous with justice, but in society they serve the purpose of bridging the gap between to the two for people that are seen to differ heavily in morales etc.

A lot of it depends on how influenced your mind is... When you're camping and feel free in a forest, only to be reminded of the fiction that "the queen technically owns this land" but when you consider it, it means nothing, just figments of the imagination that have been drilled in enough to give a picture of what "the real world is". The real world is a cringing term, because most of the time it's used purely to reflect the mechanics of a money revolving world; never any mention of the infinite complexities offered by the sciences etc

The mind can be free, but 'free' needn't have any definition at all. Too many people are suckered into the guise of freedom when the reality is they're buying a product (i.e. books) that has been devised from someone with a business plan

A simple mind couldn't understand, for example, how a plant can be classed as free, based on the fact that it's rooted to one place. As a result of being stationary, it will not pollute and poison it's living space or suffer from temptations of greed etc. As the world's population increases, perhaps we should adapt to this idea, before space and resources runs that low that we have no choice and flip a coin to become battery humans. Obviously this is highly unlikely because a powerful media can get its country to justify and support war, and with present technology it isn't going to take too long to annhilate entire continents (Phase one of deforestation; removing flora to benefit the animals, phase two removing the weaker animals to benefit the stronger animals)

I guess the best thing to say is the feature on 'The Simpsons' regarding their concept of finding it freaky to have 5 fingers instead of 4, neatly explains a lot of tickings of the way we think!

You have the choice for what fragments build your representation of the world and reality. You have many choices crammed into a short life, so I think the best advice is to not worry too much on topics that are highly dualistic in nature, because relativity is a son of a bitch: freedom is to be trapped and vice versa

Don't worry about small people that will drag you down, and don't listen to those who generate veils! You can spy instability based on chemical principles and accurately predict the course of the reaction

Nourish thine brain, it likes to learn! Everything else is an ephemeral toke on a tuberculosis ridden crack pipe

[2manynoobs]

This leads to another question: are there any parts on this world besides seas that are not inhabited by people who live in some sort of society, places where is no law? And I don't mean, the rain forest, I mean legally, non inhabited places.

Argh. Few thoughts...

The human mind is a place capable of many things, top of the list being the ability to manifest reality. Personalities act as drops of water, reflecting images of those surrounding, along with the potential of adhering to other droplets or repelling other liquid states if the chemistry directs to repulsion

The thing is, laws are vaguely a set of terms that have been agreed upon, they do not physically exist, nor are they synonymous with justice, but in society they serve the purpose of bridging the gap between to the two for people that are seen to differ heavily in morales etc.

A lot of it depends on how influenced your mind is... When you're camping and feel free in a forest, only to be reminded of the fiction that "the queen technically owns this land" but when you consider it, it means nothing, just figments of the imagination that have been drilled in enough to give a picture of what "the real world is". The real world is a cringing term, because most of the time it's used purely to reflect the mechanics of a money revolving world; never any mention of the infinite complexities offered by the sciences etc

The mind can be free, but 'free' needn't have any definition at all. Too many people are suckered into the guise of freedom when the reality is they're buying a product (i.e. books) that has been devised from someone with a business plan

A simple mind couldn't understand, for example, how a plant can be classed as free, based on the fact that it's rooted to one place. As a result of being stationary, it will not pollute and poison it's living space or suffer from temptations of greed etc. As the world's population increases, perhaps we should adapt to this idea, before space and resources runs that low that we have no choice and flip a coin to become battery humans. Obviously this is highly unlikely because a powerful media can get its country to justify and support war, and with present technology it isn't going to take too long to annhilate entire continents (Phase one of deforestation; removing flora to benefit the animals, phase two removing the weaker animals to benefit the stronger animals)

I guess the best thing to say is the feature on 'The Simpsons' regarding their concept of finding it freaky to have 5 fingers instead of 4, neatly explains a lot of tickings of the way we think!

You have the choice for what fragments build your representation of the world and reality. You have many choices crammed into a short life, so I think the best advice is to not worry too much on topics that are highly dualistic in nature, because relativity is a son of a bitch: freedom is to be trapped and vice versa

Don't worry about small people that will drag you down, and don't listen to those who generate veils! You can spy instability based on chemical principles and accurately predict the course of the reaction

Nourish thine brain, it likes to learn! Everything else is an ephemeral toke on a tuberculosis ridden crack pipe

nice one, this helps a lot.

In my normal life I actually never think about the subject (like that land owned by the queen example you gave), but as i was studying economy, (public products chapter) it just gave me this reflexion/idea.
I'm glad you responded though because you are entirely right, and it gave me a few good insights.

The one frustrating thing though, is that 95% of the people are so blind, and that 'power' (which is actually very fake) is in the wrong hands, and is unequally spread..

And oh yeah, I fucking hate the demographic expansion. Fucking hate it.

But i'm not sure what you mean with not to worry about topic that are highly dualistic in nature, because relativity is a sob: freedom is to be trapped vice versa..
EDIT: are you referring to dualism (philosophy) and the relativity theory?

[helix]

You're technically free, but there ARE manmade repercussions towards your actions.

[mikro.]

this would be something in that direction. At least it's a form of independence most people don't enjoy http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... andala.png

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

nice one, this helps a lot.

In my normal life I actually never think about the subject (like that land owned by the queen example you gave), but as i was studying economy, (public products chapter) it just gave me this reflexion/idea.
I'm glad you responded though because you are entirely right, and it gave me a few good insights.

The one frustrating thing though, is that 95% of the people are so blind, and that 'power' (which is actually very fake) is in the wrong hands, and is unequally spread..

And oh yeah, I fucking hate the demographic expansion. Fucking hate it.

But i'm not sure what you mean with not to worry about topic that are highly dualistic in nature, because relativity is a sob: freedom is to be trapped vice versa..
EDIT: are you referring to dualism (philosophy) and the relativity theory?

Interesting you say about dualism 'philosophy' etc, as to me it's strange that it's considered philosophy rather than common observations... Similar to the way a lot of psychology works, based on catergories and specifically timed observation. If you consider a how a catalyst works with aiding the speed/reducing energy required for a reaction, you can also look at what factors are shown to interfer with this rate. Some additional components compete for the binding spots, whilst others serve as a 'poison' - binding the open site permanently, thus blocking and deactivating the catalyst. It's quite easy to see how all of life's experiences collectively act in a similar manner towards the mind... As such it would be as fair to say knowing nothing is as liberating as knowing everything... In reality, neither is possible:

'The statement below is false
The statement above is true'

Both require seperation, specifically observed to quantify the meaning... When you step back and view it as a summated feeling as oppose to words (something you can learn by getting into 'speed reading' ( http://pianoer.wordpress.com/2006/02/05 ... echniques/) you feel the vibe and clarity

'Power' is a whole different topic though, again filled with relativities. The queen would feel powerless if she came and smoked with me for a day for example, haha
Everyone has the ability to get power whenever they like. Rally roundi the family wi'a pocket full o' shells. Thankfully, morales and genuine decent human behaviour overpowers the desire for just any old form of power. Knowing that is enough to nourish a sour minds' fantasy into reality, however

If you want to be free, best thing I think is to be free is absorption... Look around when walking about, take a minute to stop and look at a cool bug or whatever. Make a summary of the bug's entire life based on the few minutes you see it, most people conclude it as freedom with no worries

[2manynoobs]

that speed reading is awesome. I'm definitely gonna practice that. Also the part of training the peripheral vision is interesting. I've read that if you have a good peripheral vision you can see human aura's. Would be cool i think.

And watching bugs or other random things, and sitting down and taking my time for certain stuff is something I naturally do.
A few days ago I just went out to see the sunshine on my own. It felt like freedom yeah.

[djake]

about the sea...there is law there, the navy is pretty much the police of the sea.

[nicenice]

You are as free as you want to be.

[freakah]

This thread is deep...

[deadly_habit]

Mankind is just like incests. Scrambling around clutching at things just to hold on to those fleeting moments. Break convention and stake your place.
Make yourself happy for a moment.

[nicenice]

Blahblahjah got it spot on.

Everyone is born free. Everyone lives freely. Its entirely up to the person to realise this.

[bright maroon]

welcome to the struggle..we all share this in one way or another

[2manynoobs]

Just to make this one clear: I wasn't struggling with not feeling free. I'm feeling fantastic during this exact moment in my life. My mind just hit that subject and I asked myself if one could be really 100% free in this physical world.
Of course we are limited in numerous ways, but if you look up all that freedom on the other side of the balance, I think we can say we are pretty free

[kidshuffle]

You are as free as you want to be.

This

[parson]

according to kabbalah the only free will is the decision to let the ego drive or not

[2manynoobs]

according to kabbalah the only free will is the decision to let the ego drive or not

are you a kabbalist?