Sampling bass from other producers

[reignstep]

Is it just me or do all these basslines sound familiar?

0.26 and 0.29 ->

Other samples sound like Downlink or Datsik...

[Depone]

The first one is a BLATANT steal. The second one im not so sure about. I dont think bar 9 would go out there way to steal other people basses. Sounds similar, but its still distinctly Bar 9.

[reignstep]

The first one is a BLATANT steal. The second one im not so sure about. I dont think bar 9 would go out there way to steal other people basses. Sounds similar, but its still distinctly Bar 9.

Yes I meant that he used the samples from that bar 9 tune at 0.26 and 0.29 and then called it his own tune..

EDIT:


some more datsik/excision sounds in here...

[Depone]

Jeeeeussss... Its nearly as bad as mt.eden remixing

[Depone]

Btw hes known here as Galbm

this is one of his threads - http://www.dubstepforum.com/cyrex-dubst ... 43229.html

[reignstep]

Well IMO this is worse, at least Mt. Eden uses his own basses... This here has nothing to do with production more as cut and pasting cool samples

And yes , I noticed his post in the finshed production section , people commenting all good shit and I'm sitting here 'WTF I KNOW THOSE BASSES '

[havokdubstep]

I bet he whities everywhere when he sees this thread. Sussed to bits.

[BananaBomber]

THOSE ARE DATSIK BASSES ASWELL

[Depone]

yeah i dont get it... everyone on youtube and soundcloud sayin.. yeah this is awesome...

Awesome from datsik and excision etc that is!!!

Fuck me...

[havokdubstep]

At least we have an idea of what it would sound like if datsik, excision, downlink and bar 9 all did collab together.

[reignstep]

At least we have an idea of what it would sound like if datsik, excision, downlink and bar 9 all did collab together.

Haha lol'd hard to this

[bass_killa]

since the akai sampler days of 20 years ago and the rave thing, I think we should all be used to stealing a big bulk of stuff by now. but yes, It's what you do with the sample the counts, if you just leave it as it is, then you're a fucking theif but if you edit it, slice it, a fuck about with it you can get away with it a bit more.

[dedman]

or you could just not steal? i think its one think using a drum sample, but completly another ripping someones hard craft on a synthesier. lazy bugger

[havokdubstep]

I wouldn't be as bothered if there wasn't a crew of people worshiping him on souncloud, but like many others on this forum I put an absolute shitload of graft into making my own bass sounds and get about 10 comments at the most saying stuff like "nice work", whereas he gets a load of other peoples work and chucks it together and gets about a million comments saying shit like "OMGZ U R GOD". sorry but its bullshit.

[reignstep]

I wouldn't be as bothered if there wasn't a crew of people worshiping him on souncloud, but like many others on this forum I put an absolute shitload of graft into making my own bass sounds and get about 10 comments at the most saying stuff like "nice work", whereas he gets a load of other peoples work and chucks it together and gets about a million comments saying shit like "OMGZ U R GOD". sorry but its bullshit.

Seconded, or atleast try to remake those basses. If you can do that then sure, call it your own tune...

[Recessive Trait]

interesting thread. you see, many of my tunes are made 100% from samples, the current sig tune included. just that i sample from all over the musical spectrum (as is the tradition, started with hip hop in the 80s) and this guy i guess (innocent till proven guilty?) is sampling from current dubstep and making dubstep out of it.

while he clearly lacks in creativity, is he really doing anything different than hip hop samplers? i guess it really goes deeper than that. we could look at puff daddy's late 90s beginning-of-the-end-of-hip-hop material, but then, he was being obvious and almost paying homage to the pieces sampled. and public enemy would often sample themselves, so...

i don't know. grey area indeed.

maybe this youtube kid is just a douchebag.

[JBE]

Now, I understand why a lot of people frown upon what this kid is doing, but Recessive brought up a good point. Some of the greatest hip-hop songs ever created were created specifically from samples of other people's music. That same concept can also be applied to other genres as well. Look at Amon Tobin. That dude created music specifically from samples, I think he even mentioned it in a video someone posted here. Everything he did up until recently was done completely through samples and he had never once touched an instrument of any kind other than a sampler, which I guess in it's own right is an instrument.

Sampling has become more and more frowned upon over the years to the point where copyrights have become the biggest problem in music. There was a time when sampling was completely legal with no real consequences, and no one seemed to really give a shit until a few select people decided they weren't going to have it, and then created sort of a copyright revolution. There was a quote I read once, and I'm only paraphrasing cause I can't remember it exactly, but I think it went something like, "A society free to borrow and build upon the past is culturally richer than a controlled one". I'll have to look that up and see if it was right but, I believe that that quote can be applied to music more than anything else. Without the borrowing and building upon past music I don't think we would have nearly the amount of great music we have today. The "Amen Break" I think is the biggest example you can use in this. Without that one break we probably wouldn't have music like breakbeat and DnB.

Now I'm not going to defend what this dude is doing, or supposedly doing. Sure it's possible he just re-created all these sounds exactly like how these other producers did, but there's a chance he just cut it out and used it. The way I see it, if you're going to sample, at least bring something of your own to the table. Use the samples to boost the quality of your own creation, rather than use their creation to make your own. If you are sampling a pad, then create some extra layers of your own for that pad, or lay it over your own melody. If you sample a melody then at least create the bass yourself. Even the effects and processing you apply to those samples to give it your own flavor can make it just as much your own creation in a way. If you take something, at least give back something of equal value.

[deadly_habit]

protip: don't sample from your own genre
hell i even get a bit irked when i hear people redoing old dnb tunes as dubstep then not giving the original credit or tossing a new name on it like it's an original

[bugsky]

Sampling a bass synth is completely different in my eyes. The sound of "dubstep" has a lot to do with the technical craft of making the sounds. For instance when you hear a massive sound you think, "holy crap, how is that made? What is going on with this?"

I see this element of synthesis as a major part of producing; who can make the best noises, and implement them the best? - stepping up the bar for others to better.

Sampling these sounds is like turning up to football kick-up competition with a ball attached to string - fuck off and learn the skills, before you play with the big boys.

[Hurtdeer]

protip: don't sample from your own genre

agreed, not that it really matters too much though. You could call this guy lazy all you want but at the end of the day there's probably a reason someone might choose this track over the bar 9 one. It's a different tune, even with the same sounds. And Bar 9, Datsik, and Exicision's career isn't really at any risk with this stuff out

Dub producers used to refer to this practice as "recontextualizing", not stealing. Putting something in a new environment to get a different feeling from it


to be honest i don't really see how this is better or worse than people who copy other people's styles flat anyway, even if they make all the sounds from scratch