is 'Filth' ruining the scene?

[Input_1]

Borgore - Love; 1million+ youtube views
Borgore - guided relaxation dub - 1million+ views
Most DMZs videos - 250K

i know that the 'filthy' sound is flooding in from across the globe, this is good and bad.

It's has a positive influence because what started as a UK genre has spread across the world, showing that the UK underground scene is ever-expanding.
It's also good because it shows that the genre as a whole has evolved, developing different strains and styles.

However, i think that 'filthy dubstep' has turned ever-growing into a contest, who can get the most ridiculous, skull shattering wobble, the maddest drop,
sickest speech sample ect. And of course, the most grotesque comment. I think that people who name this solely as 'dubstep' aren't helping the scene. It almost robs the magic of some earlier releases, which were most about holding back, creating the mood, with a huge, warm sub-bass, the 'bass' that made dubstep. The dubstep 'bass', to many new filth fans, isn't a sub bass, it's a huge, earth-shattering LFO bass.

I have a few reservations about this; Dubstep is at the forefront of the hardcore-continuum, the lineage of the UK underground scene, which is teaming with history, i find this fascinating, the idea that such a complex sonic history has churned out these genres, from early 90's hardcore to UK Funky. Fans new to scene, purely listening to filth, may not releases this? Often the scene progresses by diving back into the sonic history books, cross pollinating genres, to create a whole new sound, dubstep is a prime example of this. 2-step and Dub rolled into one.

There is a plethora of labels such as Hyperdub, Hessle Audio, Applepips, Digital Soundboy with artists pushing the boundaries in other ways such as Kode 9, Ikonika, Burial, Breakage, Peverlist, Appleblim, Blawan, Zomby, to name a few? i've heard this sound be named, as merely 'Stoner-step'. Which i don't think is exactly fair, the production value is high, and artist try and focus purely on the music, rather than the image, which i deeply respect.

Thoughts?

I don't mean to sound as though i'm sniping down any filth fans, i'm sure alot of them do know the roots ect, i'm talking from my sort of experience.
I'm not trying to offend anyone, i'm observing, not commenting.

[dav.id]

let it be, you can't change it

[Input_1]

let it be, you can't change it

thanks for your intelligent input and thoughts.

[LA_Boxers]

People will listen to what they want to listen to. You cant make them listen to stuff they dont want to. If they arent open minded enough to want to engage other areas of the genre.....fuck them!

[dav.id]

the same thread comes here everyday....If you don't look for it you'll not find it

[shaan]

yes. Next.

[Phyalow]

[pkay]

Unhappy Billy Corgan buys a piece of the Gold Coast
Billy Corgan buys a piece of the Gold Coast

From the Chicago Tribune:

Billy Corgan buys a piece of the Gold Coast

Ten months after shbnmelling his Victorian painted lady mansion in Lake View for $1 million, former Smashing Pumpkins lead singer and chief songwriter Billy Corgan has paid $2.95 million for a recently renovated, historic six-room condominium on the Gold Coast.

After disbanding the Smashing Pumpkins, Corgan formed a new group, Zwan, which is playing three sold-out shows at the Double Door this weekend.

Through his tour manager, Corgan declined to comment on the purchase of the two-bedroom condo. His tour manager confirmed that the singer-songwriter recently has been staying at the condo while rehearsing for Zwan's current tour, but said the Chicago-area native ultimately intends to lease the condo in a 110-year-old building to someone else. The unit has an oak-paneled living room, reception room, balcony framed by granite columns, four fireplaces, walnut parquet floors and a large terrace.

Corgan has shown an affinity for vintage properties. After moving out of the more than 100-year-old Lake View home at 3448 N. Greenview Ave., which he owned from 1993 to 2001, Corgan temporarily stayed in a penthouse in the Haberdasher Square loft development, 728 W. Jackson Blvd., a former manufacturing building that dates to 1926. And in 2000, the Landmarks Preservation Council of Illinois awarded Corgan its President's Award for his commitment to historic preservation.

Since Corgan sold his Lake View home, one Smashing Pumpkins Web site reported that he has been living in Italy, but in interviews he has declined any comment on his permanent residence.

Singer Courtney Love, whom Corgan dated many years ago, just sold her loft in downtown Manhattan for $3 million after buying it for $2.6 million in January 2001, according to the New York Post. The loft is in the same building where rocker Lenny Kravitz just listed his own, five-bedroom, 7,000-square-foot, multilevel loft for $16 million, after buying the space unfinished in October 2000 for $8 million, the Post reported.

Love also recently listed her almost 3,700-square-foot Spanish-style house on Los Angeles' Westside -- which she bought last June for $3 million -- for about the same price, according to the Los Angeles Times. Love reportedly is looking for another house in the area because her five-bedroom house, which was built in the 1920s, is too small.

Ironically, Love told the Times last year that she sold a four-bedroom, 4,700-square-foot French country-style house on almost 2 acres in the Hollywood Hills -- which she had purchased from Ellen DeGeneres in 1997 for about $3 million -- because she was planning to spend more time in New York and actually wanted something smaller in L.A. She sold the Hollywood Hills home for $3.995 million in March 2001 to British businessman Mike Walley. Love's former Hollywood Hills house made the news in November 2001, after Paul McCartney's fellow Beatle George Harrison died. After Harrison's representatives gave a bogus L.A. address on his death certificate, the county's district attorney revealed in February that Harrison actually had died at Walley's house.

Rocker Tom Petty has paid close to $2.5 million for a three-bedroom oceanfront home in Malibu, Calif., according to the Los Angeles Times. Built in 1974, the house has three fireplaces, Malibu tiles and a courtyard with a fountain, the paper reported ... Fred Durst, frontman for the rock group Limp Bizkit, has sold a house he never moved into in Bel Air, Calif., for $3.7 million because it had "vibes that were not quite correct for him," according to the Los Angeles Times. Last fall, Durst bought the four-bedroom, 6,600-square-foot house, which was once owned by the Doors' Robbie Krieger and has a carving of the Doors playing on one wall, for just under $4 million, the paper reported. Durst recently bought a house with a sound studio in L.A.'s Hollywood Hills, and has listed that home for $1.4 million, the Times reported.
Billy Corgan buys a piece of the Gold Coast

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[grotbags]

Remember 'clownstep' dnb? you hardly hear that anymore , 'filth' is the dubstep equivalent. It will run its course and then fade away to be replaced by another style , right now dubstep is huge so don't expect any real music of quality or depth to be heard in clubs.

[paint]

Borgore - Love; 1million+ youtube views
Borgore - guided relaxation dub - 1million+ views
Most DMZs videos - 250K

Borgore is midrange so people listen to it on youtube, probably through default PC speakers. The people who listen to DMZ are playing it on vinyl.

[thedubbel007]

Hell No!!! it is evolving beautifully, Mindri-I'll Be Good, CHECK THIS TRACK OUT!!!! HERES MY ANSWER

[Rahul]

Yes 'filth' is ruining the scene.
I dont even class all this 'filth' stuff as dubstep

[apmje]

It's not ruining it, its just dumbing it down.

Without filth, I know a lot of people wouldn't find the stuff hidden away. Just stay with what you like and go to the events with like minded people and let the scenesters do what they do. Happens to every genre but we will still be here when the next new fad comes along.

[pdomino]

Talking rubbish, one of the bows in the string, I smell a troll from 2008

[truefiktion]

NEVER base everything on youtube, i can get more views than Boregore just by using clever tags and giving it a name which makes people interested to click it. let people listen to what they want, because as long as dubstep doesnt die im happy

[Pistonsbeneath]

no filth tonight (see sig)

[Liam92]

I like a lot of the "filth" stuff (although I do hate Borgore), yet I also like DMZ, Coki, Distance, Burial, Kromestar, Martyn, Kode9 and Joker to name a few.

Why is this such an impossible concept to a lot of people on here?

[Input_1]

I like a lot of the "filth" stuff (although I do hate Borgore), yet I also like DMZ, Coki, Distance, Burial, Kromestar, Martyn, Kode9 and Joker to name a few.

Why is this such an impossible concept to a lot of people on here?

This is the sort of point i'm trying to get across.

[mashmash]

This is the sort of point i'm trying to get across.

as if no one's tried before