Who makes tunes in Linux then?

__________ · Post by **__________** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:06 pm

I just formatted my computer (long overdue) and tried to install XP but the .iso didn't like my legit key so I went and installed Ubuntu as my primary OS instead. I'm loving it so far - it only took about 20 minutes to get everything up and running!

I've got Ardour, Audacity, WINE and Reaper so far, but haven't actually been able to get any sound out of them

Who's using Ubuntu/Linux for beats? How is it for you?

symmetricalsounds · Post by **symmetricalsounds** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:33 pm

i've used lmms and ardour but well tbh fuck that when i could be using ableton instead. would be nice if there was something that capable for linux but pro-audio is the most fucked part of linux. everything is a mess, it's the one area where having lots of options is really counter-productive.

if you get reaper running well then probably be alright, i know basic a runs FL on his linux machine.

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:13 pm

Renoise runs on Linux....

stompzi · Post by **stompzi** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:12 pm

Pretty much your only option is Reaper in WINE unless you want substandard software. (Unless you're a tracker head I guess, I haven't tried those)

I went through a long period of trying to switch, I use unix os's pretty much exclusively for development and I'd love to do it for music too, the software just isn't there at the moment. Things like JACK are really neat and everything, but when your workhorse software like your DAW is lacking it just isn't fun.

FL Studio runs like shit in Wine, Ableton runs like shit in Wine. Reaper seemed fine for the week or so I tried it though.

Basic A · Post by **Basic A** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:34 pm

FL runs better then wine then it does on windows. dont talk if you havent ran wine in the last 6 months or more recently.

I suggest you get WINE running stable if its not o.p., and from there try and practice integrating the JACK system into your workflow... its really not needed unless you like digital effects when djing, ect, i see no advantage to running nix for production, though I do like having ladspa...

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:51 pm

stompzi wrote:Pretty much your only option is Reaper in WINE unless you want substandard software. (Unless you're a tracker head I guess, I haven't tried those)

i literally laughed out loud
just because you personally can't figure shit out don't go chatting about things you know naught about

stompzi · Post by **stompzi** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:16 pm

deadly habit wrote:
stompzi wrote:Pretty much your only option is Reaper in WINE unless you want substandard software. (Unless you're a tracker head I guess, I haven't tried those)
i literally laughed out loud
just because you personally can't figure shit out don't go chatting about things you know naught about

Can't figure shit out? Like what, installing shit isn't hard? Or are you implying that the linux based audio apps are actually just harbouring secrets I never found rather than being substandard? (Definitely possible, though I'd argue they should work on their UX if so.)

Ill concede that maybe I should have checked with others before saying FL runs like shit in Wine though, because Basic A seems to have had luck. It ran like shit on MY machine under Wine, OP you may have better luck.

EDIT: In fact, change "your only option" to "my only option because I like to get things done and not spend ages fucking around" so its an opinion. I forgot you can't criticise FLOSS without its knights jumping out of the bushes.

DJ Crackle · Post by **DJ Crackle** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:36 pm

stompzi wrote:EDIT: In fact, change "your only option" to "my only option because I like to get things done and not spend ages fucking around"

Hahahahahah

symmetricalsounds · Post by **symmetricalsounds** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:53 pm

stompzi wrote:
deadly habit wrote:
stompzi wrote:Pretty much your only option is Reaper in WINE unless you want substandard software. (Unless you're a tracker head I guess, I haven't tried those)
i literally laughed out loud
just because you personally can't figure shit out don't go chatting about things you know naught about
Can't figure shit out? Like what, installing shit isn't hard? Or are you implying that the linux based audio apps are actually just harbouring secrets I never found rather than being substandard? (Definitely possible, though I'd argue they should work on their UX if so.)

Ill concede that maybe I should have checked with others before saying FL runs like shit in Wine though, because Basic A seems to have had luck. It ran like shit on MY machine under Wine, OP you may have better luck.

EDIT: In fact, change "your only option" to "my only option because I like to get things done and not spend ages fucking around" so its an opinion. I forgot you can't criticise FLOSS without its knights jumping out of the bushes.

i think he was more on about trackers rather than linux audio.

stompzi · Post by **stompzi** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:05 pm

Really? If so, he got the wrong end of the stick - I've never used trackers, and I'm sure they're great if they fit your workflow. All I meant when I mentioned them was that there may well be a tracker that runs on Linux that is awesome, but the graphical/linear DAW's are not. (IN MY OPINION)

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:09 pm

energy xt

symmetricalsounds · Post by **symmetricalsounds** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:12 pm

stompzi wrote:Really? If so, he got the wrong end of the stick - I've never used trackers, and I'm sure they're great if they fit your workflow. All I meant when I mentioned them was that there may well be a tracker that runs on Linux that is awesome, but the graphical/linear DAW's are not. (IN MY OPINION)

if you're making music like most of us are then they are definitely not, if you do more classic recording a few instruments, arranging etc... then ardour is pretty capable.

seriously though if i have a choice ableton wins all day long, i recently got reminded how great it is because my laptop died and my mate lent me a 7 yr old laptop so i installed linux and got ardour running and was making music in that. i still got something going but just so annoying and looooong. things that would take me 5mins in ableton would take 2hours in ardour.

gr0nt · Post by **gr0nt** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:12 pm

You can run any DAW you want under Linux. Just install virtualization software, like Sun Microsystems VirtualBox, then install your flavor of operating system and DAW.

Pro - ability to save machine state (click one button to load the thing youre working on)

Cons - slight latency due to virtualization of audio drivers, etc.

Also should mention that I had the 0 latency audio drivers installed for Ubuntu, can't remember the details. It's included with the 'Ubuntu Studio' package.

I should mention that Ableton was actually still usable in this configuration. More usable than the DAWs offered under linux. A bit of a self-defeating purpose since you have to install Windows still. This setup could be useful for people who want to browse the web while working in Ableton, I suppose, as simple tasks like web browsing, email, instant messaging, etc, take much less resources on linux than on windows. Also, could be useful for people who want a image of their production hard drive at any given time. (Just copy the virtual hard drive file, instant back-up of the entire machine) Makes logistics a whole lot easier.

stompzi · Post by **stompzi** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:34 pm

But then you're not running it under Linux, are you?

gr0nt · Post by **gr0nt** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:09 pm

Technically, Yes. It is running under Linux.

Did you not read the last part of the above post? The part where I gave pros/cons and the possible reasons for running with this setup?

stompzi · Post by **stompzi** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:29 pm

I did, and I disagreed with it. Except the bit about easy imaging, but you could do that anyway.

Basic A · Post by **Basic A** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:20 am

symmetricalsounds wrote:
stompzi wrote:Really? If so, he got the wrong end of the stick - I've never used trackers, and I'm sure they're great if they fit your workflow. All I meant when I mentioned them was that there may well be a tracker that runs on Linux that is awesome, but the graphical/linear DAW's are not. (IN MY OPINION)
if you're making music like most of us are then they are definitely not, if you do more classic recording a few instruments, arranging etc... then ardour is pretty capable.

seriously though if i have a choice ableton wins all day long, i recently got reminded how great it is because my laptop died and my mate lent me a 7 yr old laptop so i installed linux and got ardour running and was making music in that. i still got something going but just so annoying and looooong. things that would take me 5mins in ableton would take 2hours in ardour.

Ardour is a joke. Even the guys who made it know it is. They later worked on the Renoise team.

And I tryed the live demo today on WINE, ran fine. My guess is that most of you in this thread havent seen a nix system since theyve finally got wine stable.

gr0nt wrote:Also should mention that I had the 0 latency audio drivers installed for Ubuntu, can't remember the details. It's included with the 'Ubuntu Studio' package.

Thats called JACK, I mentioned it above, and its only zero latency when the JACK COntrol Center is open and active, and its only zero latency for the modular programs which run in it native. It can get to lagging bad if you start plugging in external programs.

Like I said.

Linux isnt worth it unless you perform live. Then JACK makes it worthwhile. Other then that your gonna find yourself running the standard windows daws in WINE, like I do. Im here because Im a DJ, it does make production slightly more tedious having to port my DAW. And the linux DAWs suck, cept renoize. so.

triss · Post by **triss** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:01 am

I've got to admit I never liked Ardour.

Non-DAW and Non-Mixer are really interesting but not really my cup of tea.

There's qtractor and Traverso as well which I've never tried. (Standard time line sequencers bore me.)

I'm currently having the happiest music production time I've ever had using SuperCollider, Renoise, a little puredata and Jack.

I wish I could go totally open source but I love renoise so.

All on Ubuntu 10.04 pretty much flawlessly.

Basic A · Post by **Basic A** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:04 am

triss wrote: I'm currently having the happiest music production time I've ever had using SuperCollider, Renoise, a little puredata and Jack.

I like the way you think!

Running FLStudio, Mixx, JACK, Sooperlooper, and that ZynSubFX synth

symmetricalsounds · Post by **symmetricalsounds** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:23 am

Basic A wrote: Ardour is a joke. Even the guys who made it know it is. They later worked on the Renoise team.

don't think paul davis thinks it's a joke, he's all-out trying to support himself from donations for work on ardour. check the finance bit on the right-hand side of the page http://ardour.org/node

Basic A wrote: And I tryed the live demo today on WINE, ran fine. My guess is that most of you in this thread havent seen a nix system since theyve finally got wine stable.

there's other issues too like getting interface to run. i once managed to get my tascam us-428 to run on linux but it was such ballache and it only functioned as an interface and not a midi controller so i would lose out all that functionality so that seems pointless.

i'm happy to run xp so i can use ableton with less hassle and then run linux on laptop that doesn't do audio work.

we're still so far from a good o/s though, a good o/s should be completely invisible and none of them are. if i had my choice my computer would boot up and go straight into ableton.

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