effect or plugin question

[ddb78]

Ok so I've been at making dubstep for a while now and only have one silly sound or
effect that I can't figure out....the effect or modulation is commonly used by your
favorite robosteppers....best example, the very first wobble that plays in game over
by datsik and flux....it occurs again around 39 seconds into the song. Not asking how to make
A datsik or flux sound, just have to know if its a filter or waveshaper being modulated ot
what...I've.tried phasers on my own sound and all kinds of effects..but can't figure it out
Help me out please I've been researching this forum for months...it almost sounds
like a pitch bend or the wobble speeding up... but I think its something else ...anyone


Sorry I sent this from mobile lol...awful to read I'm sure and can't seewhat I said 2 linez before...ddb

[ddb78]

And please don't tell me its just tons of resampling

[deadly_habit]

it's just tons of resampling

[ddb78]

I knew that was comming
..foreal tho

[Sinisterbeats]

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=141519

[Wagsi]

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=141519

That thread doesn't cover much to be honest, and neither do the ones posted.

[ddb78]

Yea I read it like 100 times in the past 8 months

[VirtualMark]

nobody knows how it was done, thats the simple truth. else there would be a tutorial up by now!

[ddb78]

I would say bs but I've been at trying to get the effect of it for honestly. 17 straight daw hours....it drove me so insane I had to post...datsik knows tho, so does downlink- but downlink knows too much

[deadly_habit]

lol it's just a split sound with the bands filtered differently before the processing
or simply just use filters in parallel
as far as reproducing the exact sounds no, just no

[killahbeez]

lol it's "just a split sound" (?) with the bands "filtered differently" (?) before "the processing" (?)
or "simply just use filters in parallel" (?)
as far as reproducing the exact sounds no, just no

it probably has something to do with me being such a noob - but this sounds really vague to me.
you make it sound so easy but about all I can really take from that is "use filtering".



...could you elaborate? and if possible, type as though you're explaining it to an 8 yr old....

[deadly_habit]

no offense, but it's been explained to death and the terms are a quick google away
rather than focusing on how to replicate a producers bass learn basic synthesis, fx processing and terminology (like datsik and excision and most people did)

split sound - take a sound and split it into different frequency bands to process ie low, mid, high
filtered differently - not just low pass, but some of those other filters like bandpass, high pass, comb, formant etc
processing - those neat fx chains like distortion bit crushing reverb etc
filters in parallel - one into the other, in sequence

i don't think anyone is going to have an A-HA moment or really learn anything with a step by step breakdown of someone's sound
the general techniques behind it are better to learn
then you can try to replicate and incorporate it

[killahbeez]

^ No offense taken.

I hope I didn't offend you when I said your first msg was vague.

However, a vague "help me make this datsik sound" thread is probably only deserving of a vague response. I'm suprised you humored him, at all...

Thx for elaborating, anyways - I now know exactly what you're referring to - and have been trying it all to moderate success,.

[Ldizzy]

one of the main reason why such sounds are hardly replicated by the average beginner... is because they are not easy sounds to replicate and shouldnt even be apprehendable by beginners.

thanks to this site and to doa's grid... ive grown to understand that resampling isnt just something u tweak in 20 minutes... its more like... over the hundred beats u will produce within a couple months, there will be that one sound ull end up tweaking (often accidently) that will have a very unique character and that ull want to reuse more and more often... people fail to understand that the first hardsteppers were sonic experiment freaks... they didnt replicate... they took a basic principle and EXPERIMENTED with it... think of how many hours datsik has put in his craft.. now ask urself if he ended up taking his best attempts or his worsts... get my point? i do not want to sound like what other people do is unacessible or holy or anything... im just trying to stress a simple fact : practice and do u.

the Everpopular midrange bass covers aprox everything basic u need to know about making the robostep/brostep sounds... even datsik and excision themselves confirmed it somewhere on the forum (i know i used to look for THE WAY too ). at some point, its more about practice then getting told.

DH and Basic A have repeated those basic principle on so many threads its scary ahahah. Split ur signal, then understand WHY u do it and manipulate each piece with different audio processing tools... once ur done, repeat....

ive also gotten to understand that a lot has to do with the actual melody and live tweaks that u play. If u ever get to watch the reso producer masterclass ull realize that what i (for instance) have always thought to be incredibly ''articulate'' bass sounds, are just typical riped shit sounding overdriven turdish patches... that he manages to PLAY in a nice fashion...

i do not want to sound all smartass and shit. i just want to share my recent view on those very interesting musical ideas that we all love : they should be a source of inspiration! dont u think they are creative ?

if so... try ur own stuff... my best attempts always had to do with my ears and not with my brains...

also, maybe if u post an example of ur work in the Everpopular bass thread, people will try to help u and u will help them too that way!

hope it helps

[shaneynclan]

it's just tons of resampling

[JemGrover]

I often think beginners don't realise that often, these producers don't exactly know how the sound's going to come out after X amount of resampling. No one's got a clue as to the exact amount of Chorus/distortion/flange/ etc... so and so used, so in that respect it's nigh on impossible to re-create them down to a tee. More people probably know the secret ingredients in Dr Pepper than Excision's recipe for midrange

Been hammering the splitting frequency/resampling technique recently (purely out of curiosity) and all I can say to you OP is give it a go; Takes a while to get your head around it, but every time I've done it, I've got different results (some have been pretty fuckin' cool) and you DO start to get a better understanding of what can be achieved

[killahbeez]

LDizzy
I think I understand what you're getting at.
I can't promise you I wouldn't use a distinctly-datsik sounding wobble in a track if I managed to emulate it (I think I'd be lying) - but I assure you, I'm more interested in the process than anything and want to learn from emulating the datsik sound.
My goal is to gather knowledge to improve my sound design, and hopefully find some way to push the boundaries based on that knowledge. ..I know I'm starting to sound like the typical "help me make this sound" noob, but believe me - I recognize there is no glory to be had in jacking somebody's style. I understand and appreciate the importance of experimentation - and that's obviously how datsik learned and formed his "style" back in the day.

Everyone makes it clear that the "process" is resampling - but what more can be said?!

Does anyone really have any good ideas what sorts of FX or chains of FX datsik might use? In my opinion, datsik has been diversifying his sound lately - but I think some sounds in his old tunes were distinctly similar. It almost seems as though he, through experimentation, found some wicked FX process that gave his synths this metallic tone and just ran with it - applying this same process to synths in all his tunes...

I can't help but imagine that, in an environment like the internet, over the course of almost 2 years - someone must have made some real strides on emulating that datsik sound. There's certainly a huge demand for it. The "benny benassi" sound, for example, was broken down and rinsed in no time.
...think about the shit you can find on the net! No where is a remotely specific tutorial on getting that datsik sound.

Has anyone had any luck in emulating this sound, themselves, through resampling? how did you do it?

[killahbeez]

for the record... I've had some luck with sugarbytes wow filter on "vowel --> rejecter", with small adjustments, on some mid-hi frequencies.

Ppl have suggested "wow filter" in the past and this is the preset I find best to color the sound some. Definitely not the be all end all.

[deadly_habit]

Soundcloud
that's just a base patch in massive with nothing on it external fx wise
it really comes down to knowing what your different fx do and learning how they react to each other depending on where they are in the chain

http://www.moultonlabs.com/full/product01
is well worth the cost

also a good share of the time you'll find that instead of extreme settings it's a chain of subtle fx building up