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Structuring Your Track & Keeping It Interesting

Post by legend4ry » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:26 am

THIS POST IS A WORK IN PROGRESS




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Introduction


For anyone who has read any of my tutorials before, I am not a English graduate nor do I know technical mumbo jumbo - I am completely self taught (when I started making music, I had no internet so I had to learn everything myself! Hahah) so in turn, I write in a way that I would of liked to have read it and the only way I can help people out! If anyone gets confused please quote what you don't get and i'll try and say it in a more clearer way!

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This is one of the easiest things to either not know about or struggle at when you first start writing songs!


From being around a lot of people who play in bands all the way to people how make electronic dance music most will say its one of the key factors to writing a song, maybe more important (arguable) than the sounds you use or what notes you play.

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THE BASICS
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What is a song structure?

A song structure is how you get from start to end but if you gotta make it interesting!

So lets start off with the basics in a way everyone can understand, with food! : Imagine it as a sandwich - two bits of bread put together don't make it one, right? You have endless choices what to put in there! You butter your bread, put in filling(s) and maybe some sauce, some salad or whatever, cut it into two halfs and eat!

With a structure its exactly the same, you have funder mental parts what make the track, how long would a 4x4 kickdrum have to play for you to get bored? Not long I assume! Well, this is why structure is important so the listener of your track doesn't feel like they're being subjected to repetitive torture for 4-10 minutes.


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Basic song structure goes like this. (for typical dance music, anways)


Intro > Drop > Breakdown > Drop #2 > Outro.


Intro : This is the start of the track you allot a certain number of bars to introduce your track to the listener - this also double takes into giving the DJ a certain number of bars to blend the track in!

Drop/main section : This is where you will bring elements in what signifies the peak of your tune, this is generally the longest part of your track, this is where your melodies and energy come to life, the main place to get REALLY creative and express your musicality to its fullest

Breakdown : This is where you bring elements out - much like a intro in the middle of your track - is tells the dj that not much is going to be playing at this part in the track, so its okay to start bringing in another song for the blend. This also gives the listener a little space to take in what they just heard!

Drop/main section number 2 : This is the same as the first drop, you have the option as a producer to make this different or not, another way to make your track unique.

Outro : This is where you signify to the listener that your track is ending - a typical outro will have fading out of sounds, generally a mellow and stripped-down version of the main section.

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Bars: What are they and why are they important?

I can quite confidently say, unless you already know lots about music or have messed up some how, you're writing in 4/4 and typically - dance music works in a 4 bar structure - what this means is that everything will work in a multiple of four, structurally!

Putting this into simple terms is like this: You will be working in multiples of 4, more importantly for dubstep 16 (and on the rare occasion 8 ) however you lay out your track, it is good practice to make sure any make switch lands on a 16...

I.E - 32 bar intro > 96 bar drop > 16 bar breakdown > 64 bar drop > 16 bar outro .

at 140bpm that works out roughly at around a 6 minute 30 second long track - this is me, personally is a great length and a good basic structure to work on.



Well, I hope this helps some people - once I have fully decided what I am going to cover in the next section - I will write it and hopefully you'll learn some more stuff.

Bars are important because as human beings like we routine, there are the bread and butter (no pun intended from the first part of the post :P) of music and every song has them - you can't make a song without them so you need to learn what they are and how they are important to building your songs structure.

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THE ADVANCED STUFF

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The 8 bar Grime Structure

If you was to use this structure, I would say it is for people who like to make tracks what change frequently or write in loops and it also works well for tunes made for vocalists (mainly MC's) as well as for DJs who like to mix fast. This is your 'high impact - minimal work' structure. Its simple to lay out, hard to get right!

The basics of 8 bar grime

You will be writing in 8bar cycles, in every cycle of 8 you introduce a new element or take away something.

To put it in even simpler terms, listen to this



Every 8 bars of the track, it switches between loops with some subtle changes. A simple but quite hard structure to do well - as it requires very good musical creativity to not make it boring !

So, you ask me, how does this work for my dubstep track? Well if you know anything about the 8 bar grime era - it had such great drive and energy, the beats were just as enthusiastic as the MC's spitting on them, it was simple in terms of structure (even more simple than the intro - drop - break - drop - outro structure) but allowed musicians to be creative within these restraints, in my mind sometimes restraint is what we need as music makers to do something of true beauty/brilliance.

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Keeping the "basic" EDM structure interesting.

Now this is more about theory than actual structuring but some key points have to be raised.

No one likes 6 minutes of loops : remember that you're making dance music (of course) but a lot of people will listen to the music at home, weather it be DJing, on radio shows or general listening. Try and bring elements in and out, make variations of your main sound(s) - have interesting fills in your 8s and 16s as well as well-defined sections.

Example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNs3cf277N4

Take a lesson from hiphop: while a lot of hiphop is very-loop based, it still stays interesting - have moments of silence which starts on the kick on the first bar and ends on the first snare hit. This will bring tension and bring extra 'umph'.

Switch your high-hat pattens or change sounds of your pattens: for instance - switching to a tambourine from your hats after 32 bars for 16, then switch back to high-hats.. After the switch back bring the tambo back in but changing where it hits.


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I will write this soon and collect information if people will want to post it in here.


I will be covering...

Alternative Bar Structures.

Keeping the "basic" EDM structure interesting.

Ideas For Progression.

Fills & Phrases to keep each 16 bar fresh!

Random Tips & Tricks.


NOTE : Please if you want to contribute to the main post in this thread, I will only be putting up lengthy and informative posts, feel free to post tips & tricks but I would really like some good discussions here.
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Re: Structuring Your Track & Keeping It Interesting

Post by Karoshi » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:32 am

for me, the intro is definately the hardest part of a song to write. it is usually the last part of the song i work on too.
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Post by kaiori breathe » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:39 am

snick01 wrote:for me, the intro is definately the hardest part of a song to write. it is usually the last part of the song i work on too.
always write your drop first imo

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Post by Karoshi » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:40 am

yeah? might try that next time. i usually dick about making a few loops, expand on the good ones, make a few bars of a 'verse', then make the drop, then add to the rest of the song, then write intro/outro.

might give the drop a go first next time!
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Post by legend4ry » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:41 am

I always write my intros first - it gives you the vibe and drive of your track it helps you decide where to take it, musically!

Then again, I start writing my tracks with pads and atmosphere..
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Post by kaiori breathe » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:50 am

legend4ry wrote:I always write my intros first - it gives you the vibe and drive of your track it helps you decide where to take it, musically!

Then again, I start writing my tracks with pads and atmosphere..
I find if you write your intro first it sets you up for a big building job essentially.

If you write your intro you gotta think of something new to follow it, or something new to introduce into it to turn it intro a drop. Your drop to me is like the height of your musical ideas, it's kinda like a taste of everything in the song, so the way I see it, if you have your drop written then you've technically already written the intro - for instance you could just copy and paste your drop into where your intro should sit, remove the drums and bass, and maybe re-arrange your pads a little, or make them twice as long or put a filter on them and play with automation.

Everyone writes differently of course, so there's no right or wrong really, just whatever suits, personally I'd just rather write a large musical idea and deconstruct it than keep building on small ones.

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Post by Erebus-7 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:55 am

legend4ry wrote:I always write my intros first - it gives you the vibe and drive of your track it helps you decide where to take it, musically!

Then again, I start writing my tracks with pads and atmosphere..
yeah definately the same mate, i always thought it was weird but i always start my tracks by trying to find some nice pads or ambient sounds, then work on an intro to bring in those pads or w/e.
kaiori breathe wrote: I find if you write your intro first it sets you up for a big building job essentially.
can see what you mean mate never really thought about it like that but you're probably right haha, but like you said, everyone writes differently.

on another note, I think the main problem for me when writing tracks is progression of an idea, i have literally hundreds of 1 minute-ish ideas/loops that i just get stuck on, love the idea but then just hit a brick wall when trying to bring it into a full track, anyone else get this ?

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Post by faultier » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:55 pm

legend4ry wrote:
I will be covering...

Alternative Bar Structures.

Keeping the "basic" EDM structure interesting.

Ideas For Progression.

Fills & Phrases to keep each 16 bar fresh!

Random Tips & Tricks.
please sir, by all means, tell me more

being a semi-moron with no music theory background and 2 soundcloud followers including my mom i dont have much insightful input on the topic i'm afraid, so i'll just sit back and enjoy a thread thats not about how everyone hates/wants to make the same basslines as whoever's the flavor of the month

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Post by legend4ry » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:11 pm

^

Give me a week sir, bit busy around these parts :P.
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Post by qwaycee_ » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:17 pm

dfaultuzr wrote:2 soundcloud followers including my mom

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by gnome » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:18 pm

I always start writing what I think is the intro then I cover it with too many elements and it becomes my chorus. Lol

Listening to a lot of 60s/70s rock has taught me a lot about progression and song structure. People just don't structure music like they used to in the 70s.

Nice tut, you kept it short and informative. My type of reading!

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Post by hasezwei » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:26 pm

nice thread! i've been reading into this about a month ago, and it definetly helped me a lot!
i have some printed out track analysis/production sheets that expand on the whole bar concept, let me see if i can find the link again.

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Post by kaiori breathe » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:31 pm

qwaycee_ wrote:
dfaultuzr wrote:2 soundcloud followers including my mom

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:t:
not the only one...

my mum regularly leaves comments on my music...

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Post by therook » Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:46 pm

Great thread mate! Cheers!
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Post by Trebek » Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:53 pm

Definitely looking forward to this as I seem to be only able to make a decent intro to a song then I just have no idea where to take it after the intro. So thanks in advance for this write up!

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Post by mta7388 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:58 pm

My only bit of advice I have is to have some kind of creative direction before opening up your DAW and plug ins waiting until you stumble across some sound you like. I've been a lot more productive recently, because I have an idea of what I want to do for before working. Too many times I have created a cool sound and wrote a line and then hit a wall and can't create a full track out of it.

At the very least, figure out what kind of mood/atmosphere you're going for, and try to stick to it, that way you won't get trapped into a generic and not very interesting track structure. Basically, what I'm saying is don't dive into all your software and hope for the best. Really get to know what you're working with and have a creative sense of what you want to do before you dive in blindly.
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Post by mta7388 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:00 pm

oh and thanks, this is a useful thread, i feel like a lot of people forget the songwriting/arranging part of production.
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Post by shthappensdj » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:33 pm

Thanks man!
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Re: Structuring Your Track & Keeping It Interesting

Post by gravity » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:48 pm

re: starting from the drop.

i find this almost never works for me - i might get a few elements together but once i have found a direction for the tune i will always work from start to finish. i find that way generally leads to a smoother and generally less half arsed sounding progression.

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Post by cloak and dagger » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:54 pm

I seem to be the opposite of most people in here in that I just kinda let a track go where it needs to go...I definitely start with a loop, but I don't really have a pattern when it comes to creating the structure of the full tune; it's pretty much different every time. Similarly, when making tunes, even if I have an idea of where I want to go, I find it much more rewarding to just see how a track develops instead of scrapping interesting ideas or sounds or trying to shoehorn them in to something that might not work, no matter how bad you want it to.

To be fair though, I fucking hate structuring, and it tends to take me forever. I dunno, it's just not that fun for me, and it feels like a chore. I basically finished a tune 3 days ago and have been tuning the structure since and am still no where near finished. I complain about this a lot though, so I'll stop now.

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