Comic Books/Graphic Novels

[dubloke]

Just finished reading Watchmen for the 3rd time and need a new one. Any good recomendations??

[crackf]

dont mean to be that guy

"I snicker at the neologism first for its insecure pretension — the literary equivalent of calling a garbage man a 'sanitation engineer' — and second because a 'graphic novel' is in fact the very thing it is ashamed to admit: a comic book, rather than a comic pamphlet or comic magazine."

anyways, chew is aparently meant to be really good, about a world where chicken has become illegal



really like the drawing style too

[badger]

bone by jeff smith is amazing. it's fucking massive but a really good read, it's kind of lord of the rings-esque but with little bone creatures

maus is a really good read about izan germany during the war. complete with jews as mice and sizan as cats. deals with the issues at hand really well

if you like satire then the cerebus series by dave sims is great. it follows an aardvark as he progresses through society

for authors anything by alan moore is good, and frank miller too (who did sin city). sin city is a bit too OTT in it's noire aspects for me but it's artistically stunning

been thinking recently that i should get back into graphic novels, and reading in general. don't do nearly enough of it these days

[symmetricalsounds]

sandman series, neil gaiman or dave mckean being involved in something is usually a good sign.

also +1 on the whole thing of graphic novels being a middle class way of saying you're into comics.

[dubloke]

dont mean to be that guy

"I snicker at the neologism first for its insecure pretension — the literary equivalent of calling a garbage man a 'sanitation engineer' — and second because a 'graphic novel' is in fact the very thing it is ashamed to admit: a comic book, rather than a comic pamphlet or comic magazine."

I only used graphic novel because i want something that is done like watchmen, all in one book (I know it came out as issues when it was first released though)
think ive read bits of Maus at my mates house, he has it next to his toilet
was thinking about getting some stuff by the same authour? like V for Vendetta?

[badger]

also +1 on the whole thing of graphic novels being a middle class way of saying you're into comics.

kind of agree but they are different to comics in a way, at least in the way people view them. books can cover a massive spectrum from mr men books to quantum physics but if you said you liked books noone would immediately think you meant kids books in the same way they would if you said you liked comics. you could say it's a self-conscious way of getting rid of that stigma but it's not just that. if someone said they liked crime books would you think they were a pretentious tnuc because they didn't just say they liked books?

[badger]

was thinking about getting some stuff by the same authour? like V for Vendetta?

that's well worth reading

he also did from hell which i bought and never got round to reading but it's supposed tom be lots better than the film. he did a short batman one called the killing joke which was properly twisted and is supposedly one of the big influences of the dark knight film, although the comic of the same name was done by frank miller who did sin city - which is also great. the two best batmans imho and they certainly move out of territory that you'd expect from the usual super hero comic book

the two league of extraordinary gentlemen books are good too. there's a reason so many of alan moore's books got made into films - it's just a shame they were all a bit shit

[crackf]

if someone said they liked crime books would you think they were a pretentious tnuc because they didn't just say they liked books?

nahh, but thats more about writing style and theme preferences, the same context for that would be maybe i prefer dc over marvell or more to life comics than super hero ones, sandman was originally a series of comic books.

there isnt really a difference between the two, i have a big thing for this though just because my pretentious art teachers forbid me from calling them comic books because it made my work sound "tacky"

[crackf]

definately on this tip at the moment though, something id prefer to put money towards compared with music and films

(probably just because its alot harder to find them online than it is with mangas, im cheap like that)

[badger]

if someone said they liked crime books would you think they were a pretentious tnuc because they didn't just say they liked books?

nahh, but thats more about writing style and theme preferences, the same context for that would be maybe i prefer dc over marvell or more to life comics than super hero ones, sandman was originally a series of comic books.

there isnt really a difference between the two, i have a big thing for this though just because my pretentious art teachers forbid me from calling them comic books because it made my work sound "tacky"

i wasn't being entirely serious but people always feel the need to make distinctions. it's the same as when someone says they like deep dubstep so that people don't assume they like the more widely known filth side of things. yeah it's still dubstep but at the same time it kind of isn't

[symmetricalsounds]

also +1 on the whole thing of graphic novels being a middle class way of saying you're into comics.

kind of agree but they are different to comics in a way, at least in the way people view them. books can cover a massive spectrum from mr men books to quantum physics but if you said you liked books noone would immediately think you meant kids books in the same way they would if you said you liked comics. you could say it's a self-conscious way of getting rid of that stigma but it's not just that. if someone said they liked crime books would you think they were a pretentious tnuc because they didn't just say they liked books?

i wouldn't call someone a tnuc for calling sandman book a graphic novel but that doesn't change the reason why people call them graphic novels, not many people over the age of 12 want to say they read comics. trying to create a difference between comics and graphic novels seems daft.

the crime book comparison doesn't work, it would be like trying to say there is a difference between a crime book and a crime novel, or saying you don't like music - only tunes.

what's the difference between :-



and

[crackf]

yerrr i was gonna say, but still what impression would you be changing when using the word graphic novels

i mean theres a rediculousy big difference between deep dubstep and tearout, but not really any difference between a comic book and a graphic novel,


maybe if youre talkin about little comic strips or something but i dont see whats wrong with just saying comic books

anyways is all good its just one of those pet hates

[crackf]

saying graphic novel to people who dont read comics is more likely to prompt them to say

"dont you mean comic books?"

yes, yes i do

[symmetricalsounds]

btw if you haven't read kingdom come you should.

[dubloke]

yerrr i was gonna say, but still what impression would you be changing when using the word graphic novels

i mean theres a rediculousy big difference between deep dubstep and tearout, but not really any difference between a comic book and a graphic novel,


maybe if youre talkin about little comic strips or something but i dont see whats wrong with just saying comic books

anyways is all good its just one of those pet hates

There a pretty big diffenece between the Beano and Watchmen

[badger]

what's the difference between :-



and

i'd say in that example there's not much of a difference, except one might be better written and have more depth to it. super hero based comics are a very different kettle of fish to something like from hell or maus though

i mean theres a rediculousy big difference between deep dubstep and tearout, but not really any difference between a comic book and a graphic novel

what, so you're saying there's not much difference between a super hero based comic book and a book exploring the impact of the holocaust? what a ridiculous thing to say. maus even won a pulitzer if i remember correctly

[crackf]

i mean theres a rediculousy big difference between deep dubstep and tearout, but not really any difference between a comic book and a graphic novel

what, so you're saying there's not much difference between a super hero based comic book and a book exploring the impact of the holocaust? what a ridiculous thing to say. maus even won a pulitzer if i remember correctly

im sayin that maybe you should read the thread mr moderator

the same context for that would be maybe i prefer dc over marvell or more to life comics than super hero ones,

plus watchmen is about superheroes and people call that a graphic novel so you wouldnt be making any difference by using that term

[symmetricalsounds]

what, so you're saying there's not much difference between a super hero based comic book and a book exploring the impact of the holocaust? what a ridiculous thing to say. maus even won a pulitzer if i remember correctly

they have different content but they are the same medium. bran flakes are still cereal even if they are drastically different to coco pops.

also i wouldn't dismiss any super-hero based comic for not having any "real" content. checkout kingdom come, you might be surprised.

[crackf]

There a pretty big diffenece between the Beano and Watchmen

yeahh true, beano is wayy more designed for the mature audience

[-dubson-]

Only read the first book of this but its sick.