Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

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Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by BrainHopper » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:18 am

yes sounds strange, but neuroscience is my career path currently, and always been into music, even worked as a mix engineer as well as a researcher...so i know a fair bit on brain function, hierarchical thinking (hypnotic access), emotions and the brainwaves involved in these and musical processing. Theres still a lot to be figured out of course. I just been reading Kode9's Book. Not technical or concise, but worth getting for the way he summarizes a lot of stuff in one volume. Especially the mind control aspect. I was pondering on whether dubstep taps into brain areas linked to mind control.

I say this because the bulk of Dubstep i will dare to say, does not feel musical (runs for cover :glasses: ), although i like some Kode9 and more rich dubstep..enough to drop in a mix..its in the manner i like to drop in drum and bass, hardstyle and autechre..the effects and dynamics can be brilliant...but i couldn't go have it on all the time.

Would i be right in saying that what the dubstep offers thats new is (when done properly) use the new technology in woofer volume, digital dynamics and computer control of low frequency oscillation to tap into areas of brain function that music could not previously (aside from some pipes on church organs) ?

I say that because most brain emotions and sensory function operate in the frequency range of 8-300hz. With the bulk under 100hz. dubstep is the only music thats modulating frequencies in this range (especially with double drops) enough to interfere with brain function at high volume. Drum and bass stared to touch on it, but mostly it didnt get into low frequency modulation. Techno of course reaches there...but again just pounds repetition rather than modulates low frequency. Car audio system builders will describe all kinds of interesting physiological and mind effects in the 12-100hz range at high volume. Obviously if a style of music emerges which can play around with these its onto something novel.

Do you think dubsteps appeal is the low frequency effect which really has to be heard at over 120db...is a mind control effect ...rather than an uplifting composition ?

Even if not uplifting, that a listener should seek mind control is in itself not a criticism, more an observation. There are plenty of times in musical history when music was not designed to be uplifting emotionally, but served a political purpose (marches, anthems, drumming etc). The population which sought this music, was priming itself for war.The fact is we are now having to live in a time where another 9/11 type incident could set of a cascade of serious WW3 type global events. In these kind of times people under such pressure sought whatever the contemporary form of mind control was to enhance our hierarchical thinking to maintain safety and power in numbers (as pointed out in Kode9's book)...that in itself could be considered uplifting (an escape from the anxiety of threat).

BTW..the above idea came as a dubstep producer was interested in remixing a pretty heavy tek trak i had made about the current war climate. Personally I was surprised as i rated it as one of the least musical tracks i ever made. It was uploaded purely for a local tekclub doing a theme night on war.

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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by Aquathesis » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:32 am

You trollin?

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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by antman » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:33 am

This is extremely interesting.....
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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by Aquathesis » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:42 am

BrainHopper wrote:I say that because most brain emotions and sensory function operate in the frequency range of 8-300hz. With the bulk under 100hz. dubstep is the only music thats modulating frequencies in this range (especially with double drops)
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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by BrainHopper » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:44 am

Aquathesis wrote:
BrainHopper wrote:I say that because most brain emotions and sensory function operate in the frequency range of 8-300hz. With the bulk under 100hz. dubstep is the only music thats modulating frequencies in this range (especially with double drops)
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The double drop in DnB and dubstep the only point in modern music when you get cross modulation across two tracks which are already tightly controlled to maximise and modulate excursion in these frequencies, across a far wider range than previously in music.

Modulation or pulsing increases dynamics by magnitudes more than static or single note bass sounds..this is a fundamental aspect of physics which applies from magnetic fields to aspects of biophysics.

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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by BrainHopper » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:52 am

Aquathesis wrote:You trollin?
not at all. I hated hard tek at first. there was no musical tone progression. Then i explored it, understood it, heard good material on the right systems.. and now i play it, and even did a track in that style.

But at the end of the day it is about aggression and good for when i feel that way.

Saying a style of music is about mind control does not mean i ain't going to love it, or that i disapprove of mind control. Not everybody wants freedom all the time.

I think the language i used is wrong in this context. When you say "mind control" from an academic view..this is not necessarily a criticism of it. For example mind control techniques need to be used in academic presentations to enhance communication. Everybody including the educated audience would prefer that you use these to increase speed and digestion of information.

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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by ogunslinger » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:00 am

jenova must have some sort of mind control powers...


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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by BrainHopper » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:16 am

ogunslinger wrote:jenova must have some sort of mind control powers...
Im getting no musical experience here. Its even frustrating for me to listen to..but how many times have i said that previously... :sofa:

Datsik is playing Uk in couple of weeks. To me he is no more than a kid who makes strange noises. So i have no hierarchical respect or cultural interest. There is nothing in his background and activities I can see which would alter that. That then makes me objective sonically.

will put in my 50 bucks...and see if i come out the 120db experience with a different perspective. I got to find out what you guys are getting from this stuff.

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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by deadly_habit » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:20 am

considering most aural occurrences that deal with the brain require stereo freqs in headphones, let alone coincide with visual stimuli for the average person (brainwave machines, binaural beats, etc)...




























































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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by ogunslinger » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:29 am

jenova does too have mind control powers.. how could it not?

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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by BrainHopper » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:29 am

deadly habit wrote:considering most aural occurrences that deal with the brain require stereo freqs in headphones, let alone coincide with visual stimuli for the average person (brainwave machines, binaural beats, etc)...
apart from low frequencies. Whats your point ?

How about telling me why you like this music. What do you get from it. Does it relax you, energise you..

Most importantly does the status of the artist mean a lot ? What about his visual presentation ?

For example a lot of techno was free of status and anonymous, nobody knew who was writing half of the tracks.

If you heard a Datsik track with no visual aspect and totally anonymous as to who he was...would it be just as similarly a musical experience to you ?

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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by deadly_habit » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:36 am

oh god a pseudo intellectual hipster
fuck off

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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by BrainHopper » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:37 am

Ok its getting too late and no answers.

My bet is that...Musically this is primarily a 120db plus experience, or u aint going to get it ?

In a similiar manner to how the Tek scene needed drugs, digital recording, quantization of the newly emerged clear digital dynamic range and most important a loud PA to have its impact effect on the brain. Anybody who didnt enter into this process would never understand it.

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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by BrainHopper » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:38 am

deadly habit wrote:oh god a pseudo intellectual hipster
fuck off
I aint Pseudo mate. Im published at a high level. Higher than Kode9 is.

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Post by deadly_habit » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:40 am

link or stfu spartacus
it's one thing to intellectualize about music specifically a genre and say the auditory physics and psychology behind it
being able to make music, release it, run a highly successful and write a paper on that level like say kode 9 as you brought up vs random internet guy...

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Post by Aquathesis » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:38 am

BrainHopper wrote: kid who makes strange noises.
Haha you got one thing right.

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Post by nowaysj » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:02 am

Yeah, lets see the links...

Not really comfortable with the way you are using the term music, and musical, although your usage is hardly unusual. I personally see no need for tonal progression for something to be musical. The way you use these terms would deny what for most of human history has been music, for some narrow, recent, snobbishly contrived academic bullshit.
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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by amphibian » Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:06 am

BrainHopper wrote:Ok its getting too late and no answers.

My bet is that...Musically this is primarily a 120db plus experience, or u aint going to get it ?

In a similiar manner to how the Tek scene needed drugs, digital recording, quantization of the newly emerged clear digital dynamic range and most important a loud PA to have its impact effect on the brain. Anybody who didnt enter into this process would never understand it.
You say you're being objective but really you're not. If you were, you'd be breaking it down and even music you don't generally like, you'd still find something appealing to it.

I think you've missed the boat on not what just dubstep is and what it means to people, but just music in general, and you should stop trolling.
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Re: Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

Post by Eridu » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:47 pm

this thread sucks.

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Post by levitate » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:58 pm

deadly habit wrote:oh god a pseudo intellectual hipster
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