"And this is forthcoming...give it a few months"

elementalism · Post by **elementalism** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:26 am

About give it a few months...

Why is it tunes in the dubstep scene take so fucking long to be released? I don't know about other DJs but I had this experience on Saturday...

Wasteguy : What's this tune bruv?

Me : Burnin', Richie Spice remix by Coki.

Wasteguy : That tune is old bruv, that's some summer 2006 business!

Me : ...........

Then I thought to myself...why did I pick up a tune like half a year after it got dropped first? I would say that this was an exception, but it seems that every big dubstep tune that gets dropped takes fucking time to get released.

Producers need to start putting out their own stuff, fuck waiting for the next Deep Medi/Tempa/Bare Dubs release. I support tunes, people pick up your tunes, stop longing it and get your stuff cut - I reckon you'd make more money if you put out the tracks when people still remember them.

Big up everyone in the scene who's doing it, but as a DJ who ain't got a radio show and who ain't playing FWD or whatever, I'd like to be able to drop a few tracks that I hear at the dances...rather than 6 months later when every big DJ has stopped playing them.

thc · Post by **thc** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:58 am

Unique Post +5

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:07 am

Fantastic!

elementalism · Post by **elementalism** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:12 am

I'm gonna start moving to DJs for their record boxes.

N-Type, you're a target boss - that Cluekid track you played at FWD was a bit too much.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:26 am

Elementalism wrote:About give it a few months...

Why is it tunes in the dubstep scene take so fucking long to be released? I don't know about other DJs but I had this experience on Saturday...

Wasteguy : What's this tune bruv?

Me : Burnin', Richie Spice remix by Coki.

Wasteguy : That tune is old bruv, that's some summer 2006 business!

Me : ...........

Then I thought to myself...why did I pick up a tune like half a year after it got dropped first? I would say that this was an exception, but it seems that every big dubstep tune that gets dropped takes fucking time to get released.

Producers need to start putting out their own stuff, fuck waiting for the next Deep Medi/Tempa/Bare Dubs release. I support tunes, people pick up your tunes, stop longing it and get your stuff cut - I reckon you'd make more money if you put out the tracks when people still remember them.

Big up everyone in the scene who's doing it, but as a DJ who ain't got a radio show and who ain't playing FWD or whatever, I'd like to be able to drop a few tracks that I hear at the dances...rather than 6 months later when every big DJ has stopped playing them.

start your own label and come back to me. seriously, not to be a smartass, but i find it hilarious in an industry where quite frankly, we mostly move way faster than the majors do, people still bitch about the timeframe of vinyl releases.

i have (techno) tunes that were supposed to be out YEARS ago, and labels faced everything from money issues, to pressing plant fuckups, to distribution woes, to various and sundry other issues. it happens. such is the nature of the beast.

and as much as it drives you nuts, think how much the artists and label owners hate it. but if you think you could make things happen faster, by all means...try it yourself.

i don't put out my own shit because i have NO urge to be a label owner, or to deal with the issues that come with it. but if you think you have what it takes to make the releases come out faster. go for it...

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:36 am

Elementalism wrote:
Then I thought to myself...why did I pick up a tune like half a year after it got dropped first?

Ummm...b/c it's a good tune?

the decoy · Post by **the decoy** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:41 am

well, I think that the reason that tunes take so long to come out is because they don't have to come out early. They make the tunes, and in the age of the internet where anyone like me can sit at home and order records from the UK exclusivity must be maintained this way.

think about it this way, if coki or benga or mala released tunes as soon as they made them, why would people venture out to see them play? they would have the tune in much more convenient place, home.

as much as I would love to go out and buy Serious sound by the others, frisco by scuba or the caspa remix of way of the dub, the fact of the matter is they created the music and they have the ability to decide when mere mortals such as us can get our hands on them.

and yeah, I'm feeling you on the marijuana remix. I bought it too, but it's already catching up to midnight request line in terms of rinsedness.

I guess the soultion would be to do what the forefathers of the genre did and make your own tunes. oh, if only I know how to manipulate logic...

sand leaper · Post by **sand leaper** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:46 am

That's dubplate culture for ya.

elementalism · Post by **elementalism** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:00 am

RickyRicardo wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
Then I thought to myself...why did I pick up a tune like half a year after it got dropped first?
Ummm...b/c it's a good tune?

I wouldn't have bought it if I didn't feel it, that's not my point.

My point is, I'm picking up a tune that's been rinsed by everyone but regular DJs.

I understand dubplates, there's Jungle dubs that I heard when I was like 9 back in 1994 that haven't ever been released, but why is that nearly every tune that gets released gets put out like it's a dubplate?

Why ain't DJs doing what producers did back in the early 90s and take a few fresh cut white labels to a few of the big record shops. Look at how big Nicky Blackmarket got in the Jungle scene, he was playing all of the newest tunes because every producer was bringing them right into his shop. Look at what Rhythm Division, Big Apple and them did for the grime scene. UK Hip-Hop heads are getting their stuff put right into Deal Real.

Anyone who doesn't get what I'm on about obviously ain't a DJ. It's NEVER been about dropping a tune that's been rinsed, especially not in a scene that's growing as fast as the dubstep scene.

No disrespect sapphic_beats, but I ain't on about Techno fam and I'm not wrong in what I'm saying. Move faster than the majors do? To release an album, yeah maybe, but promos and singles are out TIME before.

It ain't like you've got a Detox that you're working on, you've got a tune that you've made that's being bust everywhere.

Sand Leaper gets what I'm on about. I don't mind picking up a dubplate 6 months later and on a level, Burnin' is a big enough tune to justify the wait, but not EVERY tune should be treated like that.

Edit: And I wasn't being 100% serious when I said 'stop longing it and get your stuff cut' - pressing ain't cheap, and I ain't seen a dubstep millionaire yet.

DeepThought · Post by **DeepThought** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:34 am

c'mon man this is tired.

you want to play dubs go get yrself a radio show or put on a night or start producin em yrself.. you get out what you put in with this scene.. its all out there, every producer/dj/promoter ive met in it is sound and real approachable..

dont complain, make a name for yrself for bein a good dj, THEN you can play the badbwoy tunes.. until then yr just another bedroom dj init..

and people do put whites you just gotta keep an ear to the ground on when and where they at..

i dont want to flame yr or nuttin but shit what d'yr want??
i mean why do you think you want ntypes tunes?

Elementalism wrote:Anyone who doesn't get what I'm on about obviously ain't a DJ.

you what, im a dj, i get what yr sayin, and i know its frustratin, i just think you need to put somethin in before you get somethin out - get me?

baraka · Post by **baraka** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:12 am

if its a gd tune it will smash early on or months later , i understand ur point , but u dont realise djs/producers must have 1000 things going on atm inc record releases etc .

example plastician - japan , when that will drop end of year that will still smash raves etc ,e veryone will cop it and they wont say oww this tune is late 2006 business etc etc.

depends which way u look at it ..

good things come to those who wait ?

hatsudai · Post by **hatsudai** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:23 am

Isnt it wierd that he had to ask you what it was before telling you how old/rinsed it was

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:04 am

the decoy wrote:frisco by scuba

Yup, this has been v long. Out soon though.

rudeski damager · Post by **rudeski damager** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:11 am

no no no

this is the way it must be

i know this because this is 1 of the tings that went wrong with grime ->

MSN DJS

People who can't mix, don't own decks, use PC Software programs etc and trade tunes on MSN. It is the worst flippin ting.

why do u deserve these tunes? why should any1 rush for u? did u make the tune? no. do u personally know who made it? no. its their creation and its up 2 them when they put it out.

trusay it is very annoying, and i can tell u that as a dj. but my camp set me tunes and i'm happy with the dubs i get from them. when i've put 7/8 yrs into my mixing and dj'ing skills THEN i will believe i'm entitled to tunes. because by then i will hope to be on radio and play regularly. Until I as a DJ am really on THE LEVELS then I don't expect 2 be given anything. Those of u who have sent me the rare tune - I SALUTE U! When I am flying all over the world in my personal concorde 2 DJ i wont forget u man

elementalism · Post by **elementalism** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:25 am

If you agree that it's annoying then that's my point exactly. Don't assume I'm a bedroom DJ either, I had a show on Passion FM in the South East I run a show in Brighton and have been playing out at free parties and raves since I was 15 and having come from scenes where tunes are put regularly I'm not used to hearing a tune buss and having to wait half a year to pick it up.

Put stuff in to get stuff out? I don't get what some of you are saying. Are you saying that I need to start bredding producers and grab some free 320s off them, instead of paying for their tracks? Or are you saying that I need to be a big boy DJ in order to get the big boy tracks?

If that's what you're saying then you're just reinforcing my point.

The big difference that there seems to be with the dubstep scene is the fact that bare people are cliqued up together, they send each other tunes and them tunes get circulated until it's time for the 'bedroom' DJs to get them.

You lot are going on like that's standard procedure in the music scene and for a lot of DJs coming through, especially DJs who have been involved in other scenes, it ain't.

@ hatsudai - He was being sarcy.

rudeski damager · Post by **rudeski damager** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:59 am

well i dont know what scene u came from

but this is an urban scene with a big dubplate culture

if u don't know about how dubplates began and what that means, research it

its all about being exclusive g

its not a "clique" its a crew.. thats how it works, if ur in a crew and u produce - u give ur tunes 2 ur dj's, they play t hem, perhaps some will blow and then if they do and that tune is popular u pass it around.

it aint about letting every man have ur tunes on their PC from day u made it

I know people sitting on 150+ tunes and have only put out 4 or 5 mp3s 2 a select few people.

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:00 am

Elementalism wrote: The big difference that there seems to be with the dubstep scene is the fact that bare people are cliqued up together, they send each other tunes and them tunes get circulated until it's time for the 'bedroom' DJs to get them.

not at all. producers can give tunes to whomever they want! not even under any obligation to release them at all. this dubplate culture discussion has been rinsed to death

also you gotta think of it financially as well...putting out 500 12"s costs around 800 squid, which obviously is a lot of money - hence records do not come out that quickly.

DeepThought · Post by **DeepThought** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:24 am

Elementalism wrote:Put stuff in to get stuff out? I don't get what some of you are saying. Are you saying that I need to start bredding producers and grab some free 320s off them, instead of paying for their tracks? Or are you saying that I need to be a big boy DJ in order to get the big boy tracks?

i see what you sayin about wantin to pay for these beats, and thats cool cos most peeps want shit for free, but the nature of this scene means that you dont have those tunes, they do..
you want to change that? put yr money into a label and get em pressed yrself, that way you givin the producers their money due and also gettin the tunes out to the djs.. plus youll get all the exclusives first.. put in, get out.. its as simple as that..

sapphic_beats wrote:start your own label and come back to me.

ramadanman wrote:this dubplate culture discussion has been rinsed to death

Steve AC23 · Post by **Steve AC23** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:47 am

you basically hate dubplate culture.
whereas i love it.

bye

elementalism · Post by **elementalism** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:02 pm

DeepThought wrote: you want to change that? put yr money into a label and get em pressed yrself, that way you givin the producers their money due and also gettin the tunes out to the djs.. plus youll get all the exclusives first.. put in, get out.. its as simple as that..

sapphic_beats wrote:start your own label and come back to me.

ramadanman wrote:this dubplate culture discussion has been rinsed to death

You're misunderstanding my point, this isn't about me not being able to get exclusives - I've never tried to. I'm on about the fact that nuff DJs (at one point, it came up in every conversation I had with anyone I chatted to who DJed dubstep) who I've spoken to who are either just getting into the scene or who've been in it for a while has said that tunes come out much slower than in other scenes. I don't care if however many people have replied to this thread don't agree, I reckon that's an issue.

I've got NO problem with dubplate culture so to the Aussie bloke who jumped in trying to jump on the bandwagon, allow it.

If what certain people are saying is that there's not enough labels with money behind them in the scene, then maybe I do need to go and see about starting one.

Big up all the heads not jumping down my throat (I don't care if you did), proper replies are appreciated.

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