production software!

[prohjecktom]

ok, so i use fruityloops 9XXL and YES there is alot of stigma about using fruity loops about how it's not as professional as other software, but i was thinking, what can't i do on fruityloops that i can do on other software and what software do you personally like to use?

i'm self taught with a bit of help from tut vids on youtube, but mostly i just click random bits and see how it sounds

[James B]

i dont like fruity because the metering is awful, try using cubase if your on a pc. personally i think logic is the way forward

[Basic A]

i dont like fruity because the metering is awful, try using cubase if your on a pc. personally i think logic is the way forward

What? nothing wrong with Their metering. You have the little ones + the big one when selected, they go down to DB and they are jsut as accurate as ANY other digital emter.

OP. FL Studio IS professional. A long time ago, there were issues with something called Plugin delay Compensation when using FLStudio in playback mode... What it meant was that back in the day, when you put an effect on FL's mixer it couldnt anticipate how much time the processing would take on a signal so itd throw your phases out of whack until you exported (it never affected renders though, just your monitoring, when doing things like new york compression n whatnot.) ... I toughed through it from 7 until 8.0 when they began to correct it, and then in 9.0 it finally truely was fixed.

Nowadays the amount of studio's using less traditional DAW's like FL and Ableton is unbelievable, the days of pro-tools dominance are slowly dieing. The fact is though that if your not recording large group bands and ect. DAW's like FLStudio, Ableton, ect. which used to carry quite a stigma are now only criticized by complete know nothing idiots who have never produced anything in their entire lives.

[prohjecktom]

i honestly love it, because of how easy it is to use, i mean it has a very clear timeline and it's just really simple to use, i'm a selftaught person and i have no idea about metering etc and all of the compression, but the thing is i don't really have to know about it to be able to use it, where as i got a version of ableton and couldn't grasp it, i also tried logic and reason and couldn't be bothered with it, then i tried cubase, WTF is up with that lol!

[Basic A]

i honestly love it, because of how easy it is to use, i mean it has a very clear timeline and it's just really simple to use, i'm a selftaught person and i have no idea about metering etc and all of the compression, but the thing is i don't really have to know about it to be able to use it, where as i got a version of ableton and couldn't grasp it, i also tried logic and reason and couldn't be bothered with it, then i tried cubase, WTF is up with that lol!

Ableton uses a dual timeline thats geared to easy navigation in a live environment, Ive got a grasp of it but FL's new multi-cue points features in 9.5 are gonna be sick...

Cubase is actually pretty similar to FL once you get to working with it, its a fairly straight-forward rack-mixer routing system and a simple enough timeline, just little workflow differences that some people dont click with... And logic - fl are hard to tell apart once you get over the placement of things haha...

Its all about look/feel/little differences in how to wire it, but, all the major DAW's are going to be the same essential concept... Rack channels - mixer routing - timeline... The only time you need worry is when something becomes technically obsolete, which FL no longer is. Totally used to be, plugin delay compensation fixed.

[test_recordings]

Cubase > Ableton > Fruity... It's more complicated than that though: Cubase is proper studio and has basically full capability in that sense and Ableton lacks some basics so I just avoid it because it annoys me BUT Ableton's sequencer and beat creation is a LOT nicer and more dynamic than Cubase's. Probably best to re-wire Ableton in to cubase but that's a serious CPU and £££ commitment...

I'd say get cubase though loads of early dubstep was made in fruity loops (and reason apparently)

[tomassive]

Cubase > Ableton > Fruity... It's more complicated than that though: Cubase is proper studio and has basically full capability in that sense and Ableton lacks some basics so I just avoid it because it annoys me BUT Ableton's sequencer and beat creation is a LOT nicer and more dynamic than Cubase's. Probably best to re-wire Ableton in to cubase but that's a serious CPU and £££ commitment...

I'd say get cubase though loads of early dubstep was made in fruity loops (and reason apparently)

i was writing a pretty long response to this, but what it comes down to is that every sequencer mentioned in this thread is (now) on the same level.

[test_recordings]

Cubase > Ableton > Fruity... It's more complicated than that though: Cubase is proper studio and has basically full capability in that sense and Ableton lacks some basics so I just avoid it because it annoys me BUT Ableton's sequencer and beat creation is a LOT nicer and more dynamic than Cubase's. Probably best to re-wire Ableton in to cubase but that's a serious CPU and £££ commitment...

I'd say get cubase though loads of early dubstep was made in fruity loops (and reason apparently)

i was writing a pretty long response to this, but what it comes down to is that every sequencer mentioned in this thread is (now) on the same level.

I've had a go on the new cubase and it still isn't as good as ableton 7 though? I haven't A/B'd them, however, they were used at different times in different places..

[malabuandcoki]

Dont underestimate Reason
The drum programming on it is ideal.

[Basic A]

i was writing a pretty long response to this, but what it comes down to is that every sequencer mentioned in this thread is (now) on the same level.

This. /\

All the goons saying that one DAW is better then another, please note, youve yet to give a single reason WHY one is better then the other, you just say 'this is better' and leave it at that... Why? Because you dont actually have anytihng to add to this from a technical standpoint.

[Basic A]

Cubase > Ableton > Fruity... It's more complicated than that though: Cubase is proper studio and has basically full capability in that sense

and how are Ableton and Fruity not full studio's, do, please, entertain.

[benjam]

i dont like fruity because the metering is awful, try using cubase if your on a pc. personally i think logic is the way forward

Even if that were true you can get Vst db meters anyway.

[jaimelee]

All preference, I prefer using Ableton for the Layout and easy of navigation.
FL and the rest are great too.

[JBE]

The only reason to really choose one DAW over another is completely down to workflow and preference now. I think reason is really the only "different" program simply because it's not really a DAW but a Midi Workstation. Record brings it closer to the rest of the DAWs but it still lacks the ability for the user to make their own choices on the plugins/synths they want to use.

Personally I've tried many different programs and I still choose FL. It just makes all the things I like to do easier from a workflow standpoint.

[Karoshi]

I learnt on FL Studio, and therefore FOR ME its the best. i would like a go at reason, just to see why the die hard fans love it so much

[Ldizzy]

EDITED :

''early dubstep'' what is that any fucggng way!&!%!...any info on that?!?! are most of the pros using their daws at particular hour of the day!??! i want proof... will it get me closer to say.. rusko? if yes i should do it!? i want nothing but the best...

on a more pertinent basis, i tend to find fl a thousand time more natural to use then many daws whenever i go down and create...

it just does a lot of things for u so they dont get in the way of your creative process...

i switched from it to other daws around 2009... and tried various things... extensively... and if i had a choice, id go back to it... anyday (yet, i love my mbp)

im still contemplating a hybrid setup including fl...

anyone saying its not professional is absolutely wrong... u want proof : ask them to back any fact on the matter... any fact... the facts gon be wrong, as their opinion on the subject...

this is especially true with idm...

[nowaysj]

The only reason to really choose one DAW over another is completely down to workflow and preference now. I think reason is really the only "different" program simply because it's not really a DAW but a Midi Workstation. Record brings it closer to the rest of the DAWs but it still lacks the ability for the user to make their own choices on the plugins/synths they want to use.

Personally I've tried many different programs and I still choose FL. It just makes all the things I like to do easier from a workflow standpoint.

Some daws are really expensive, some daws require constant paid updates, some daws require dongles, some daws can't even manage their own windows at a late '90's degree of competency.

Free smile if you can guess the daw I'm speaking about.

[Ldizzy]

The only reason to really choose one DAW over another is completely down to workflow and preference now. I think reason is really the only "different" program simply because it's not really a DAW but a Midi Workstation. Record brings it closer to the rest of the DAWs but it still lacks the ability for the user to make their own choices on the plugins/synths they want to use.

Personally I've tried many different programs and I still choose FL. It just makes all the things I like to do easier from a workflow standpoint.

Some daws are really expensive, some daws require constant paid updates, some daws require dongles, some daws can't even manage their own windows at a late '90's degree of competency.

Free smile if you can guess the daw I'm speaking about.

EJAY MEGAMIX

[JBE]

The only reason to really choose one DAW over another is completely down to workflow and preference now. I think reason is really the only "different" program simply because it's not really a DAW but a Midi Workstation. Record brings it closer to the rest of the DAWs but it still lacks the ability for the user to make their own choices on the plugins/synths they want to use.

Personally I've tried many different programs and I still choose FL. It just makes all the things I like to do easier from a workflow standpoint.

Some daws are really expensive, some daws require constant paid updates, some daws require dongles, some daws can't even manage their own windows at a late '90's degree of competency.

Free smile if you can guess the daw I'm speaking about.

Nuendo? It's so insanely expensive I didn't even look to see if it had a demo. I don't understand why the program justifies an 1800 dollar price tag.

[Basic A]

The only reason to really choose one DAW over another is completely down to workflow and preference now. I think reason is really the only "different" program simply because it's not really a DAW but a Midi Workstation. Record brings it closer to the rest of the DAWs but it still lacks the ability for the user to make their own choices on the plugins/synths they want to use.

Personally I've tried many different programs and I still choose FL. It just makes all the things I like to do easier from a workflow standpoint.

Some daws are really expensive, some daws require constant paid updates, some daws require dongles, some daws can't even manage their own windows at a late '90's degree of competency.

Free smile if you can guess the daw I'm speaking about.

Nuendo? It's so insanely expensive I didn't even look to see if it had a demo. I don't understand why the program justifies an 1800 dollar price tag.

He means protools.