WTF America... wtf...

[noam]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/13112819

Four years after America's worst ever college shooting, a student group has told Newsbeat they should be allowed their own hidden guns in classrooms.

The organisation, called Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, was set up after 32 staff and students were killed at Virginia Tech, on 16 April 2007.

Twenty-five-year-old David Burnett from Lexington, Kentucky, is the group's president.

He holds a 'concealed carry' permit and keeps a hand-gun hidden beneath his shirt most of the time.

He says it is unfair that most US colleges do not allow permit-carrying gun owners to bring weapons on campus.

'Right to defend'

"We believe that colleges do not have the right to bar law-abiding citizens from carrying concealed weapons for self defence," he told Newsbeat.
A Virginia Tech student kneeling in front of memorial stones Memorial stones for the 32 students and staff killed at Virginia Tech

"Even though we are recognised by the state as having the right to defend ourselves, the college takes that right away."

We met David in a shop called Gun Warehouse near Lexington city centre.

Also in the shop is 28-year-old Kira Goldade, who says she has had to overcome a fear of guns for protection.

"I have an ex-boyfriend," she explained.

"He has told me on several occasions that he will find me and harm me.

"I can't match his strength physically but I know if I have a gun then at least I have a chance."

Students for Concealed Carry on Campus has members in all 50 US States.

Last year, David says, around 130 colleges took part in a protest week where students wore empty gun-holsters to symbolise the threat they feel.

"The Virginia Tech shooter had nine minutes and 400 bullets," he said.

"If I had been in that classroom that day, the chance of stopping that shooting spree in its tracks would have been higher."

'Lose your mind'

Colin Goddard, also 25, strongly disagrees.

"It's very easy to think that," he said.
Sarah Knapp, Nicole Mottes and Amber Shaffer Nicole Mottes (c) says she'd be more scared if students carried guns legally

"You think you know what you would do. But, honestly, you will lose your mind if you are involved in something like that."

Colin took four bullets from the Virginia Tech shooter back in 2007. "One above my left knee," he explained, "in both my hips, and through my right shoulder."

Of the 17 people in his French class, 10 others died - including the teacher.

Nowadays, Colin works for an organisation called the Brady Campaign, working for tighter and what he describes as 'more sensible' gun-laws.

But he says he still gets where David Burnett and his Concealed Carry group are coming from.

"These people are afraid. I totally understand that. I was there. But their fear is misdirected.

"If that idea (that carrying a gun makes you safer) was true, we'd already be the safest place in the world.

"The US already has 300 million guns in circulation that we know about. How many more hundred million do we need before we become a safer country?"

[Pada]

"If that idea (that carrying a gun makes you safer) was true, we'd already be the safest place in the world.

"The US already has 300 million guns in circulation that we know about. How many more hundred million do we need before we become a safer country?"

Not really WTF america as there is both sides of the argument represented in that article.

I'm sure I could find people in England who agree with the right to carry a gun

[Dub_freak]

Its stupid how people are allowed to own weapons that are made for the sole purpose of killing other people. I have nothing against people who own hunting rifles and such but the American laws when it comes to guns is stupid. If they changed the laws on weapons then those students wont have anything to worry about.

[constrobuz]

on my way back from class today there was this creepy dirty looking guy dressed in all black with a long coat and sitting by some crudely written signs that i couldnt read and he picked some random guy walking by says something like "hey did you know the virginia tech massacre happened around this time?!??!" and the guy was like "whaaaaat?!" i kept walking.

probably one of these nuts. the university i go to is filled with stupid rednecks that drive demuffled loud trucks and wear hunting camo, fuck letting them have guns on campus.

[ahier]

28-year-old Kira Goldade says she has had to overcome a fear of guns for protection.

"I have an ex-boyfriend," she explained.

[nowaysj]

You have to understand that our country is in mid-deterioration. Public education has totally failed. The job market has totally failed. What little money families have has gone to the uber-wealthy. Social services / safety net are being either stripped back or cut altogether. We are approaching lawlessness. It is pretty clear that it is every man for himself. And part of that is personal protection.

As you settle in to comfortably look down your nose, I'd like to point out that your nation is scheduled for the same type of destruction. The ground work is being carried out right now.

In lighter news, America has adapted the generally goofy phenomenon of flash mobs into a killing sport:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 6677.story

[firky]

This is BBC Newsbeat, it's the BBC news service for people who don't "do" news. Instead they do shit reports like this with no substance.

It makes Newsround look high brow.

A small bunch of dickhead american students think they should carry guns in classrooms..... NOT America or any representation of America as a whole. They've basically asked a couple of kids for their opinion, chose the juicy parts and made an article out of it. This is not news, it is not investigative journalism, it's not Gonzo, it's just trite bollox.

Haven't you heard the idiots they get on Newsbeat?

"So Vicky, can you tell BBC Newsbeat what do you think of the situation in Libya."
"It's well badm init, like all those people just can't go out to bars and stuff like us, I think its really sad."

Sorry to burst your bubble but I bet you could do exactly the same report in Britain.

[firky]

Seriously, the America bashing pisses me off. Especially when you can't even be arsed to find something of actual value to have a go at them about.

A shit worthless trite article does not make good ammo for America bashing.

[wub]

A small bunch of dickhead american students think they should carry guns in classrooms..... NOT America or any representation of America as a whole. They've basically asked a couple of kids for their opinion, chose the juicy parts and made an article out of it. This is not news, it is not investigative journalism, it's not Gonzo, it's just trite bollox.

This, basically. Tabloid scare mongering and 'shock' reporting on the BBC at times is diabolical.

[LACE]

This is BBC Newsbeat, it's the BBC news service for people who don't "do" news. Instead they do shit reports like this with no substance.

It makes Newsround look high brow.

A small bunch of dickhead american students think they should carry guns in classrooms..... NOT America or any representation of America as a whole. They've basically asked a couple of kids for their opinion, chose the juicy parts and made an article out of it. This is not news, it is not investigative journalism, it's not Gonzo, it's just trite bollox.

Haven't you heard the idiots they get on Newsbeat?

"So Vicky, can you tell BBC Newsbeat what do you think of the situation in Libya."
"It's well badm init, like all those people just can't go out to bars and stuff like us, I think its really sad."

Sorry to burst your bubble but I bet you could do exactly the same report in Britain.

Good points..
Problem is..a vast majority of the population are against gun control..
In the state of Arizona they are currently debating over a proposed law to carry firearms at University.

It's a real problem as this could very well pass.

[noam]

yeh fair play it was incendiary

to be clear I DONT THINK ALL AMERICANS ARE LIKE THIS

that said, i AM surprised that this even exists but i am NOT surprised that it exists in America

and no i've never read Newsbeat before

[wub]

and no i've never read Newsbeat before

Newsbeat was one of the contributing factors for me NEVER LISTENING TO RADIO1 EVER. Every Newsbeat is exactly the fucking same.

Oh look politcal people disagree because they are in different parties maybe taxes will go up hey the olympics are coming soon whats Amy Winehouse been up to there is a new film out tonight and we sent gormless fuckwit no. 7 from our cloning labs to cover the story tune in at 6:30 where she might have a two second soundbite with someone in the film or maybe not and the weather hey its sunny in London and lets be honest no one gives a shit about anywhere else unless its flooding and then we can talk to a shop keeper whose lost everything and laugh at them for being foolish enough to live somewhere that has rain every now and again hahaha fuck you all working class stnuc we are the BBC and we will trivialise whatever we damn well please now sit there shut the fuck up keep paying the license fee and here is fucking Adele.

[pkay]

You have to understand that our country is in mid-deterioration. Public education has totally failed. The job market has totally failed. What little money families have has gone to the uber-wealthy. Social services / safety net are being either stripped back or cut altogether. We are approaching lawlessness. It is pretty clear that it is every man for himself. And part of that is personal protection.

As you settle in to comfortably look down your nose, I'd like to point out that your nation is scheduled for the same type of destruction. The ground work is being carried out right now.

In lighter news, America has adapted the generally goofy phenomenon of flash mobs into a killing sport:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 6677.story

ladies and gentlemen, Glenn Beck

[noam]

You have to understand that our country is in mid-deterioration. Public education has totally failed. The job market has totally failed. What little money families have has gone to the uber-wealthy. Social services / safety net are being either stripped back or cut altogether. We are approaching lawlessness. It is pretty clear that it is every man for himself. And part of that is personal protection.

As you settle in to comfortably look down your nose, I'd like to point out that your nation is scheduled for the same type of destruction. The ground work is being carried out right now.

In lighter news, America has adapted the generally goofy phenomenon of flash mobs into a killing sport:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 6677.story

ladies and gentlemen, Glenn Beck

yeh that was weird...

[Mr Hyde]

You have to understand that our country is in mid-deterioration. Public education has totally failed. The job market has totally failed. What little money families have has gone to the uber-wealthy. Social services / safety net are being either stripped back or cut altogether. We are approaching lawlessness. It is pretty clear that it is every man for himself. And part of that is personal protection.

As you settle in to comfortably look down your nose, I'd like to point out that your nation is scheduled for the same type of destruction. The ground work is being carried out right now.

In lighter news, America has adapted the generally goofy phenomenon of flash mobs into a killing sport:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 6677.story

what is the schedule? cos im busy through til next tuesday

i swear there must be better forums for discussing conspiracy theories/aliens/nwo/japan sinking.... i know this part of the forum is off-topic but it seems to come up in almost every thread and gets a bit annoying. fine in threads just about it but it seems to sidetrack just about every sensible discussion.

dubstep= introspective+weed+internet= conspiracy?

[noam]

dubstep= introspective+weed+internet= conspiracy?

more like

internet = too much time on your hands

[Badman Juice]

You have to understand that our country is in mid-deterioration. Public education has totally failed. The job market has totally failed. What little money families have has gone to the uber-wealthy. Social services / safety net are being either stripped back or cut altogether. We are approaching lawlessness. It is pretty clear that it is every man for himself. And part of that is personal protection.

As you settle in to comfortably look down your nose, I'd like to point out that your nation is scheduled for the same type of destruction. The ground work is being carried out right now.

In lighter news, America has adapted the generally goofy phenomenon of flash mobs into a killing sport:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 6677.story

can't wait to stand by and watch your country burn.

[nowaysj]

ladies and gentlemen, Glenn Beck

GB helped create the conditions I am merely pointing out.

Public education has totally failed.

US is what 47 or 48th internationally in math and science education. That is a failure in a nation with our level of resources. When I lived in LA, the drop out rate was 50%. Half of Los Angeles' native population couldn't even graduate from high school. Total failure.

The job market has totally failed.

This one is harder to demonstrate because the official numbers are cooked, but it is apparent when a quarter of the people you know with degrees and experience are unemployed, and have been so for some time.

What little money families have has gone to the uber-wealthy.

From the start of the "financial crisis" to now, average American household wealth has decreased by 25%, while at the same time billionaire level household wealth has increased by 25%.

Social services / safety net are being either stripped back or cut altogether.

How many millions of American's without health care... and we're going to cut medicare, medicade, and social security? Raising the retirement age to 75. I've just got nothing to say on this.


There are people like GB who helped create these conditions, then there are people like you who persistently attempt to deny or remain ignorant. Fuck the both of you.

[Badman Juice]

EDITED

not cool

[wobbles]

The less gun control, the more gun violence. It was my college thesis.